Off Topic So, what now?

I wish you guys would actually read up on how bad for our standards a free trade deal with the US would be...

 

Do you agree that Trump is a fascist???? did you agree with Khan saying its un British to honour Americas head of state?

 

Why are we not able to set our own British standards? Nothing enters our country unless it meets the standards! Not rocket science is it..

 

No and no.

You need to look up what a free trade deal is mate.

If you think the US are going to change their standards to match ours then that's delusional.

 

IMO one of the reasons we want to leave the EU is to come away from EU legislation, to set our own...it's up to us (or should be) to set the standards.......whatever we import.....We used to do it and I believe we can again...

 

I admire that viewpoint but we will not be getting a trade deal with the US where they suddenly change their standards to match ours. It will be the other way around.

If it meant adopting US standards yes absolutely I'd be against it, EU or not.

A free trade deal ultimately means breaking down all barriers to trade that you can, part of which would involve adopting the same standards. This is what we have in the EU - anything sold in the UK can be sold in the EU and vice versa because we all agree on what 'good' is. So when you hear people refer to regulatory alignment, that's what they mean. Another reason why the Irish border is such an issue by the way.

The problem is, we don't have the clout to tell the US what to do. So a free trade deal with them would inevitably mean adopting their standards, which are notoriously low. Some examples:
- US food standards mean that 15% of the population suffer from food-poisoning-related illnesses (it's 1% in the UK). It actually causes thousands of deaths per year.
- US-sold juice allows no more than 8 maggots per 1litre of orange juice (16 if it's tomato juice)
- No more than 60 insect fragments per 100g of chocolate
- Canned peaches must be no more than 3% infested with worms
- There's also fears around chlorinated chicken but if I'm honest I'm not clued up on that so I'm unsure

And that's just food. All sorts of other manufacturing and safety standards are lower over there. Not project fear, they are all the law in the US today.

Put simply they are ****tier. And to be fair to the EU, the standards that have been set over the years are pretty damn good.

 

"AUSTRALIA AND NEW ZEALAND ALREADY HAVE THEM IN PLACE" as part of their nothing enters that would damage our ecology and economy

 

who said they will need to match our standards? free trade deal means you can pick and choose and to preset what you buy and from whom DEFRA will legislate amongst others [ departments]what is or is not acceptable …. the main thing about free trade deals is based on "tariff free of penalties"

 

very well put … sort of a snipers comment … toes up didn't have a chance …………..

 

does not at all, they have a standard of "xyz" for say chicken nuggets … we have a standard for the same product "wxz" we are happy to buy to the standard of "wxz" ..oh you don't have that ? OK we will get it from ….
you would like some "xyz" sorry we don't make those think they are poor quality and unhealthy, so sorry we cant sell them
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you would like some "xyz" sorry we don't make those think they are poor quality and unhealthy, so sorry we cant sell them
going do dally loopy! will give up on this post and start again

 

does not at all, they have a standard of "xyz" for say chicken nuggets $0.85c kilo … we have a standard for the same product "wxz" $1 a kilo we are happy to buy to the standard of "wxz" ..oh you don't have that ? OK we will get it from ….
you would like some "xyz" sorry we don't make those think they are poor quality and unhealthy, so sorry we cant sell them but we do have wxz @ $1 a kilo don't do xyz as we consider it to be unhealthy and cruel …. trading all over the world fits into a similar pattern .. the law of supply and demand...

 

That is an opinion. A fact is that the US has bilateral trade agreements and trade bloc agreements that differ across the globe.

 

All that is the theory but not always the case......IMO we once had "British standards" on a lot of things, including the import of cars etc....A standard far more superior than the likes of Spain, Greece and alike. We also have supermarkets etc that have set standards that need to be applied from suppliers from where ever they come from.......it's already in place mate, we DO NOT have to agree to inferior produce or product. All scaremongering IMO..

 

Sigh...

In your opinion Cliftonville, what are the percentage chances of the UK and US adopting a trade deal which does not include us adopting their standards?

All of that is completely different. I'm not talking about 'standards' in what you or I would consider good. I mean 'standards' in that everything has to meet the same minimum regulations.

Let me put it simply as (with due respect) you clearly don't get it. Anything that enters the UK is also good enough to enter the EU, because of our regulatory alignment. If we were to agree the same with the US (which is what we're all alluding to), those standards would be far lower than we have today. If you're willing to accept that then fine. But that's the case (exempting the highly unlikely event that the US adopt our standards instead).

Regulatory alignment is not necessarily a certainty. But it's highly probable in a US/UK deal.

And any opinion from JGF might as well be ignored considering he thought the UK currently has a trade deal with China. It's really not hard to actually do a little reading you know...

 

He probably wont see this because I think he's got me on ignore, but what a patronising young twat.

 

With respect , my point is that we would be able to set our own standards, true or not?

 

Absolutely yes. Would that allow us to get a free trade deal with regulatory alignment with the US? No. Unless they raised their standards to meet ours.

 

I'm sure the US would demand standards that would meet with theirs also with what we export...It works both ways.

 

Regulatory alignment = having the same regulations. So in a deal with regulatory alignment that's not possible.

Would the US accept a deal where we demand that what they sell to us is of higher standard than what they sell in their own country? I.e. as part of a bilateral trade deal. Who knows. I'd say it's highly unlikely given (once again) they hold all the cards, but it's possible. All rhetoric from our politicians so far (particularly Liam Fox) suggests we will bend over and do exactly what the US say to 'win' the trade deal.