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Discussion in 'Southampton' started by ChilcoSaint, Feb 23, 2016.

  1. TheSecondStain

    TheSecondStain Needs an early night

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    The really fun ones are staged to look like they represent the people they're actually fighting against. Restaurant Workers of America is a group whose name makes it look like a union of, well, restaurant workers in America. It's actually an astroturfed group funded by restaurants and conservative business interests to advocate for their right to pay servers less than the minimum wage, based on the notion that reporters will simply report the name without digging too much into the people behind the organization (a generally correct assumption).
     
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    Before I got to the end, the thought flashed through my head - they'd be right on that. I've seen some of the USA mainstream news on YT. Wow, talk about bias and lazy journos. Also, I can't believe how ordinary newsreaders can be allowed to influence how they report the news. <laugh>
     
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  4. The Ides of March

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    "Astroturfing!" I love the word. So in footballing parlance, the current owners of PFC have been at it,having persueaded many of the former shareholders to sell to them, enabling them to buy the club, and ground at a cheap price, as yet they have not invested in either the team of ground, and perhaps they sell it again at doublé or treble the Price if PFC manage to get to the Championship without these owners ever having spent a penny, and the ground and infrastructure still in need up upgrading.
     
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    You'd like to think so. But you have to allow for the fact that the Tories have collectively gone nuts.

    Well, feels like the whole country has gone mad actually. But the Tories have led the way.
     
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  7. TheSecondStain

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    Just a few of us beacons of sanity left. <whistle>
     
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  8. TheSecondStain

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    I said I wouldn't post any more of these videos on the state of play regards Britain's position vis-a-vis the EU. But if I don't post a video, nobody else is likely to, and then we won't talk about this situation - and this situation needs talking about.
    This video is from late January of this year, where Professor Michael Dougan has been invited by a local EU supporters group in the Liverpool area. Here he gives a no holes barred picture of what the UK is facing in the coming months and years, and he doesn't hold back on his opinion of individuals. This is understandable considering the situation and who he is addressing. Do watch this. It's far more interesting and important than Champions League football. Remember that although this is his opinion, it is a distillation of his expert knowledge of the subject. He's way more qualified to comment on the subject than politicians, for instance:


     
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  10. TheSecondStain

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    Anything that Trump considers a good thing is anathema to me. It's turning out that Trump might possibly be the most right-wing US President there has ever been. He's now in total Climate Crisis denial. The number of measures he has taken to overturn Obama's moves towards a cleaner, greener future will shock most people. And he hasn't got started. I quote a New York Times article from 5 days ago: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/27/...tion=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage

    "In the next few months, the White House will complete the rollback of the most significant federal effort to curb greenhouse-gas emissions, initiated during the Obama administration. It will expand its efforts to impose Mr. Trump’s hard-line views on other nations, building on his retreat from the Paris accord and his recent refusal to sign a communiqué to protect the rapidly melting Arctic region unless it was stripped of any references to climate change.
    And, in what could be Mr. Trump’s most consequential action yet, his administration will seek to undermine the very science on which climate change policy rests."

    Trump doesn't have to do this stuff. US business and population is naturally moving towards a cleaner, greener economy, albeit too slowly at present, in which there are more jobs, much more money to be made, and better population health. But it dares to take away riches from the Establishment, of which he is a member, and put it in the hands of hard working ordinary people. He's got to be removed in 2020, because the climate change triggers, including pollution, don't respect national boundaries at all. It affects everyone, including us here in the UK.
     
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    If somebody had told me this I wouldn't have believed them, but the USA wants to export its natural gas [methane], a gas that is way more potent as a greenhouse gas than CO2. OK, that's not the unbelievable bit. Lots of countries do this. However, they are about to brand it as Freedom Gas and Molecules of US Freedom. If it wasn't so bloody serious it would be hilarious.

    Freedom Gas: https://news.yahoo.com/donald-trumps-rebrand-fossil-fuels-155911246.html
    Old article on potency of Methane: https://www.onegreenplanet.org/animalsandnature/methane-vs-carbon-dioxide-a-greenhouse-gas-showdown/

    This is the current US attitude. I'm sure the less educated will think this a great American move [sorry, but the more stupid you are, the easier you fall for this sh*t].
     
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  12. shoot_spiderman

    shoot_spiderman Power to the People

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    I've found these illuminating, in a bad but necessary way. I hear him talking about stuff I was concerned about and making it clear as someone with expertise in a key field for Brexit that concerned isn't a strong enough word. This is worrying as I can't do much to change anything and anyone I know who is or was a leaver will either not believe me or won't talk about Brexit anymore.

    The Brexit camp consists of people who either a) actually know this stuff and have their own reasons for pursuing this course or b) continue to believe that it is the right way to go whilst the detail will have to be worked out when we leave.

    I can't believe that any of the politicians are in b) and I can't believe many ordinary people are in a) and yet this group is presented as a united body of opinion rather than a bunch of right-wing extremists leading a large number of ordinary people into a crap-storm.

    I'm not calling Leavers stupid or saying Remainers are all clever.
    What I am saying is that I don't hear any Leavers offering credible logical arguments and I don't hear any Remainers offering impassioned arguments about Europe leading us gloriously into a brighter future and that's where the problem lies, this is an argument of logic v passion and that's why its so hard to get anyone to change sides.

    So TSS we must continue the fight to convince the Leavers that their dream of Great Britain is counter-intuitively more likely within the EU than outside of it. It only takes a few people to change that way and we have a chance of getting out of this mess

    Even then, the next challenge is reuniting a nation that has been broken by the Tory Party
     
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  13. The Ides of March

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    Just seen the pictures of Liverpool FC´s homecoming and the love those fans have for their club. The LFC fans welcome for their team will be in stark contrast to that, which awaits 45 this week from the UK public. The best way to receive him is for no one to turn up at all. No protestors, no supporters (unfortunately there are some in the UK who think he is wonderful), either. Let´s treat his visit as insignificant because this is what he deserves. A massive cold shoulder from the British public. A good start would be for Theresa May to keep him waiting for over a hour while she entertains a phone call from Angela Merkel. After all he has dissed her Brexit policy so she should retaliate in her own way.
     
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    Pretty much exactly how I feel. I think many people are entrenched and they've stopped listening. The Leavers have had this view for so long they're not thinking straight about the implications, or perhaps they never did and won't consider them now. I've had baby boomers say simply that they don't care about younger people's future, mainly because it conflicts with their opinion. Several have cited Muslims as undesirables, although one just said he 'wanted our country back', and I know him and he isn't racist or xenophobic. He just says he doesn't want to be ruled by an unelected body in Brussels. Well, if anyone has seen the first video by Professor Dougan you now know that that is all BS. Nobody rules the UK but the UK Government, as half of us probably knew. Of the Remainers I know, usually we're totally gobsmacked. I have to say that when we talk about who fell for the BS [a lot of working class] we ended up agreeing that there were a lot more uneducated people amongst the Leavers. That's not to say that they are stupid. It's just that University educated tend to know how to question and research, and certainly don't take the words of a politician as truth. And by the way, I thought that the Remainer politicians, during the EU referendum were hopeless too. I stopped bothering to tune into either side when I realised that the truth had been removed from their brains, and went and did my own factual digging. After that there just one conclusion.
    Yes, we'll continue. If I can change opinion here with these information videos then the word might spread.
     
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    Frankly, I'd ban him as an undesirable. I think he pretty much qualifies as a terrorist leader.
     
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    It is a pity that Theresa May felt compelled to invite him.
     
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    The dumbing down of the world continues. And when the idiots have voted Boris and Nigel into power, taken the UK back into the imperialistic dark ages and sold everything including the NHS to the yanks, we’ll be buying “Freedom Gas” to further pollute and poison our planet?

    Did anyone see Brian Cox’ “The Planets” last night and wonder (like I did) how long it’ll be before Earth starts to resemble Venus? :emoticon-0107-sweat
     
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    I didn't yet, but I watch everything off iPlayer and such these days. Thing is, it doesn't even need to be a Venus like planet. We just have to tip the scales [hence tipping point] on the balance of the composition of the atmosphere a tad and we make the place largely uninhabitable.

    At present the atmosphere contains 78.09% nitrogen, 20.95% oxygen, 0.93% argon, 0.04% [411ppm] Carbon dioxide plus a few traces of other gases and pollutents. The atmosphere hasn't had a CO2 content of over 400ppm for millions of years, when the Earth's overall temperature was much higher. It's actually NOT the higher temp or rising CO2 content that is the major problem, although it's bad enough. It's our ability to adapt to it. We're bringing it on so fast that, by our human practices of combustion in every form, we will make our locations uninhabitable and eventually civilisations will crumble. I'm not being alarmist about it, that's definitely the way we're heading at present. The best and easiest thing to do is adapt our behaviour now, so that the Earth remains the beautiful, largely habitable that it is.

    Incidentally, the atmospheric composition of Venus is Carbon dioxide 96.5%, Nitrogen 3.5%, Sulfur dioxide 150ppm, Argon 70ppm, Water vapour 20ppm, Carbon monoxide 17ppm, Helium 12ppm, Neon 7ppm, Hydrogen chloride 0.1–0.6ppm, Hydrogen fluoride 0.001–0.005ppm.

    So, if anyone thought, well, we could possibly go to Venus, think again. I'm afraid it's the Moon, Mars or nothing, at this point. We've a very long way to go before the Earth becomes Venus like.

    Incidentally, here is an excellent NASA website concentrating on Climate Change. Good one to bookmark: https://climate.nasa.gov/
     
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    Thank you for your recommendation!!
     
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    Can you please keep the orange haired one for us. Most of us on this side of the world would greatly appreciate it. Maybe we can take one of your nuts as a trade.
     
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