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The Monaco 'GP' Chat and Predictions Thread

Discussion in 'Formula 1' started by Big Ern, May 20, 2019.

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Who will lead the parade home?

Poll closed May 25, 2019.
  1. Lewis Hamilton

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  2. Valtieri Bottas

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  3. Charlie Boy

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  4. Max Verstappen

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  5. Sebastian Vettel

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  6. Pierre Gasly

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  7. Carlos Sainz

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  8. Lando Norris

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  9. Daniil Kvyat

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  10. A N Other

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  1. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    I have to laugh at the Mercedes snow job.

    it's all hugs and sorry Lewis and aren't you great Lewis etc etc.

    he was a horrid little brat for 60 laps. we all know it. move on.
     
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    Poor Bono has missed his calling in life, hostage negotiator, heck I bet he could even talk our politicians into agreeing on something.
    The patience of a saint that man
     
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  3. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    True....

    he might even have talked may into resigning i hear.
     
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    How to destroy your car on your own 101
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    Although this was a bit cheeky! I'm not sure you can blame Hulkenberg at all here

    "Yeah I told you it was very difficult to drive. Anyway I’m sorry guys. To be honest… did Hulkenberg get any penalty because he has to leave a car’s space normally, which he didn’t really. But anyway. I’ll get out."
     
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  5. TopClass

    TopClass Well-Known Member

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    We saw a little bit of immaturity from Charles there this weekend. I suspect it’s a bit of frustration boil over.

    Having said that, it’s about time someone at Ferrari spoke directly about things and challenged their hopeless management.
     
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  6. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    I have to agree... there was nothing "wrong" with his car after he did that.

    he had got away with it once. By the fact that magnussen (wasn't it) got out of his way.... really he'd no right to that position.

    He tried it and hit the barrier. hulk never touched him.

    What he did thereafter was pure and utter stupidity. He basically proceeded to block other drivers. Floor it and tear the tyre to bits rather than drive slowly off line where ever possible at all and keep the carcass of the tyre intact until he got back to pits. By the time he was out of the tunnel a couple corners later he's shredded it and then proceeded to lay debris all down the track.... for me thats utter stupidity on his part.
     
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  7. ched999uk

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    I'm not sure it was a lack of maturity. The cars are wider than ever so overtaking is even more difficult than previous years. I think he was taking a do or crash approach. He had very little to lose, I guess at best he might have scraped a point or 2 so why not have a bit of fun, after all it was Ferrari who put him in the position! Shredding the floor with the punctured tyre was stupid.

    Ferrari do need to fix their strat. Considering how much experience they have they make the same mistakes over and over again. Merc are so strong the only way to have a chance of winning is to do everything right. It's even little things like missing the weighbridge by Seb and then CLC. Surely after the first time they should have someone monitoring the weighbridge indicator when one of their cars come in to the pits? Not sending CLC out again in Q1, everyone knows the track gets better and better every second. So why not send him out even if he aborts the lap if necessary, OK so you have scrubbed a set of tyres but you wouldn't be out in Q1 woudl you. It's almost like they have the apprentice running strat...

    Sorry for the rant, I just want some competition at the front. That said Red Bull and Honda are starting to get there.
     
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  8. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    it was monaco... it was a safety car strategy.

    red bull are NOWHERE. all thats happening in 95% of races is ferrari are dead slow and falling back into red bull...

    its a **** show season.

    mercedes should win every race and should get most as 1/2s.

    most disappointing season in a very very long time.

    If bottas wasn't trying so hard id not even bother with it.
     
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  9. TopClass

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    The real disappointments this season are Ferrari and Renault. To an extent you could also say Red Bull, but I have always eyed 2020/2021 for them to really bear fruit from a Honda works package.

    The Renault works team are catching up on engine performance but reliability is still poor, and their chassis doesn’t seem to have moved forward much at all. Looking at the way McLaren have bolstered their technical team in recent times, I’d expect them to out develop Renault. That shouldn’t be something a works team like Renault should accept. Cyril doesn’t strike me as the right man to lead that team.

    Red Bull usually always end up with a great chassis a couple of years into tech reg changes so we can expect them to challenge in future.

    Ferrari have possibly gone down a wrong road with their design and may need to go back to the drawing board. Unless of course the field work out that Mercedes have some sort of trick rear steering going on. (Rumoured recently)

    McLaren have got some really good people on board now and this years chassis has eliminated many of of last years major problems. That said, they aren’t close to the top three teams and a lot more work will be required to do so. Their race execution however has been almost flawless this season, including pit stops, and they should begin to fight to lead the midfield going into next season. I understand James Key’s primary focus may be the 2021 regulations, although will input into 2020s car.

    Toro Rosso, Haas, and Racing Point are designed to be midfield teams and will continue to be. Alfa Romeo likely the same but we will see if they step out of the ferrari shadows or not.

    Williams have deeper problems and survival looks the first order of the day for them.

    The only possibilities to join the front three at the front come from Renault and McLaren in my opinion. Depending on how this **** with Carlos Ghossan at Nissan goes, I wouldn’t be surprised to see Renault drop the race team (they don’t wanna up their budget and they know current budget won’t help them break through). I’d expect them to simply supply McLaren with a works engine and look to improve their name that way for a while.

    The only way things will be different is if the new rules make for fairer competition, but Martin Brundle says he noises coming from that direction are not good at all.
     
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    Renault may also have an interesting situation with talk of a merger with Fiat!!! That might make some changes with a single board controlling it all. So will they keep pumping money into F1 with both Ferrari and Renault competing on Power Units?
     
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  11. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    for me:

    1. Mercedes - they've designed a feisty car thats a bit more of a window than last year but drivers have to drive it..

    2. Ferrari - wrong design, wrong strategy, wrong leadership, engine seems good but i can't really tell if its better than merc or just low DF.

    3. Red bull - competitive chassis, engine is probably 4th best on grid?

    4. Renault - **** car, team isn't up to it yet, many changes needed. questionable commitment. engineer is 3rd best lets face it

    5. only other team worth mentioning is Mclaren. teams in a poor state for a big team and they've tried various routes but they have to build up from ground with team and design and are doing so. .... slowly.

    6. I agree than you list the rest and they are what they are... theres no room for the private team. these guys are in there for i don't know what commercial reasons... Haas.. **** knows why the came in. torro rosso are a pure and utter reserve car, alpha are in effect that too.

    Racing point are an ex privateer so to speak. Eddie jordans little team. its still there but its just i dunno what now. he sold up and the indians really did nothin and it almost folded. Williams who are ex f1 royalty are now the minardi's of the pack and are the last privateer type team. They will probably end up bought out after folding and be mercedes b team.... frnakly i'm shocked mercedes have not got a b team yet.



    The issues are there for all to see.

    An adrian newey genius in former era's could get himself an enginer somewhere like cosworth and go racing. even be competitive. Now its impossible. Teams will say the engines are mad money but theres no capacity to build any even though they only need 3 a year now <laugh>
     
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  12. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    no imo they won't

    one goes and the renault part is always luke warm.
     
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    Sorry .

    Don't agree .

    Red mist etc , he was fuming , did a daft thing and has paid the price for it .

    Inexperience yes , of course .

    Stupid though ?

    No no way .
     
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  14. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    welllllll..... lets agree to disagree.

    my view is red mist is well and good but its still pretty stupid.

    Look at mad max. Did he not pull out of the first corner with bottas when before he's have hit the guy? its only taken him a few years of hurt to realise that one.

    Stupidity is what you do not how you are IMO.

    I'm pretty sure charlie is kicking himself now.
     
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    :emoticon-0150-hands:)
     
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    Charles definitely behaved with immaturity and selfishly. He does see Ferrari from the inside though.
    Binotto is wrong to justify the qually decision, they need to be more honest with themselves. Charles needs to calm down.

    Channel 4 commentary and opinion is terrible this year, complete rubbish. Borders on an insult/media hype.

    I am very disappointed with Ferrari this year, they have more or less imploded. Binotto needs to kick some ****. That he is so defensive suggests there is a major morale problem stopping him from doing so.
    That Vettel hints at retirement (if u believe Channel 4 analysis) also says he doesn't intend to be there after 2020 and hasn't the stomach to fight elsewhere. I think Ferrari are in crisis.
     
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    Big Ern Lord, Master, Guru & Emperor

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    I'm not the only one who thinks that about Renault then, always seem wishy-washy about F1, never 100% committed, unless someone else is picking up the tab.
     
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  18. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    yup thats renault imo.
     
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  19. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    Look on the bright side, Mercedes are due to unleash their mk2 PU in Cananda.......
     
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