this is certainly the problem we face, and for sure the MEP elections have highlighted the mountain any leader TM or jack schitt has endured and will have to over come in the future .. just watched Corboliks on the BBC and the bloke is in deep deep denial … his fixation is a GE not GETTING DOWN to it and sorting out the problem in hand.. A GE is a couple of years away … it would be totally irresponsible for any new government … I say Government as opposed to PM as there is a massive cloud now overhanging the UK of self bigoted MP'S that think if there was an election they may still win their seat. if you assume half the voters who went for BREXT PARTY ..were conservatives and like wise half of labour went for LIB DEMS, combine this with probably about about 30% of the country who didn't get off their asses and vote then the next parliament after a GE COULD be a disaster greater than the one now...…..
I can see 2 the transferable vote is because of the low population and d'hondt could result in a unfair distribution of seats they only have 3 and 1 party win them all! So what is the third? what other countries use the Transferable vote? [ which actually takes quite a lot longer to count as the more candidates the more redistributions? ]
Thank you for the reply. So the long and short of it is between 4 and 10 years? And that is based on what? Your opinion or something you’ve read? We are currently the 4th or 5th financially fit countries (what are powerful countries are below us?) but unfortunately we’ve nothing to really trade other than money. Deal with China they will no doubt want us to use their steel. Which as we know British Steel is going. Port Talbot is twittering on its knees which could go pop any time soon. I like your optimism and applaud you for it, maybe I’m being half empty but I think the pain will be painful that could ruin us as a country. Also on another point has anyone in Bristol read through Ann Widdercombe’s views other than Brexit?
This is not correct. The SNP is a nationalist party that is extremely strong on loyalty. You are assuming thier percentage vote should be aligned with the remain element whereas in practice it is divided with regard to Brexit/Remain. They voted on Thursday for the SNP as a party, not to remain as you are suggesting. To lump their vote percentage totally in with the remain grouping is a major mistake. Those who voted for Brexit/UKIP are unequivocal and singled minded as to their intentions and are 100% Brexit orientated - the other parties in your tot up including a percentage of the Greens who pursue much wider aims are not. The low percentage turnout is another red herring. Those that voted on either side of the debate are indicative of the national feeling. The fact that 60% couldn't be arsed (your words) to turn out to "stop the Brexit party" your words again, shows a complete disregard of the general mood of the country. I remain convinced that if this had been an either or vote and not party aligned (a la referendum), there would have been a larger majority that the 51.89% for Brexit as was the case in 2016.
I'm not arguing one way or another which is right or which is wrong, which takes longer or which is fairer. To be honest, I don't care. All I'm saying is each member state unilaterally decides which to implement. Closed list, preferential list and STV are the three options listed though there are flavours of each, including the age at which people can vote.
where are they to be found? one of the 2 leaders of the greens stated in an interview last night after most of the polls were done and declared that their vote relied as much if not more on the other 2 or 3 issues they campaigned on especially the environment and carbon etc … but was in accord that their views ...voters … were as likely to want to remain as to leave .. but being greens they voted green because that is their utmost concern climate and environment so adding 11% as remain is "boli's" you are also missing out the fact that 30% or so who would vote in another "election" = GE DIDNT VOTE The last 3/4 GE has seen about 65% ave turnout REFERENDUM was 72% that is 7% more or 1,545, 850 VOTING TO SAY LEAVE OR STAY... GE of 2017 32,181,756 referendum 33,727,605
ref OS responding to Cliftonville ... also their leader stated Brexit was secondary to their voting aim …... not 60% more like 30% …. A number of peeps I spoke to would have voted to leave or remain but couldn't or were not assed to do so small number I know [ 11 5BREXIT ( 3 conserve, 1 labour, 1 greens ) 2 LIB DEMS 2 CONS 1 LABOUR 1 GREEN ] a couple others couldn't give a toss waste of time voting attitude …. in brackets is parties usually vote for after the Brexit ...
Marvellous new invention called the internet. I know you might not believe it but there is even pages called Wikipedia.
Im not being rude or sarcastic here but I think I made it clear it was just my opinion. I am not labour so I don't think have have come across as confusing A strong leader with our economy, its just my opinion, based in the fact that with a strong leader, there should be no reason why it would take any longer, as people will see us as a great opportunity to have a deal with. We are not Norway. We are the UK with the 4th/5th best economy and other will want a piece of this. So I can only guess it will be around 4 years before we are back on our feet again. But the way our government currently are, there is no one that is a strong character. Tories won't want a general election as they will know they will be destroyed like last night. Even labour did better than them last night and labour can't decide what they actually want! So the Tories will be running the show and they have royally fukked it up so far and I have no confidence that they will sort this mess out. To answer another point, a strong leader would make sure Britain comes first and any such deal would make sure our own comes first so should insist on using our own steel and not sell out our own Watching footy now
Spot on anybody would think we are a third rate country. Strong leader,strong decision maker we will be in a much better place. We just need a strong Brexiteer to take us out and forward with a team of strong and decisive people around him or her.
Irrespective of who would come off worse in a so called "trade war" (does anyone really believe that would happen?), the underlying cause of this absolute mess must be levelled at the approach taken by those responsible for negotiating our way out of the Union. We've shot ourselves in the foot and buckled under a torrent negative internal statements about the effect of our exit. I just hope when she goes, she takes that smarmy, sycophantic and dull as ditchwater Hammond with her - both him and Carney have been the architects of Project Fear this last 3 years. His smirking presence on the front bench alongside May is patronising to the point of contempt. Their public approach has effectively given the Eurocrats the confidence they needed to undermine our negotiating position. Whilst it would have been foolish to propagate false statements of how easy it will be, this effective "remainer's publicity charter" they've offered up has been a gift to the EU and detrimental to our efforts. It's given the EU pole position in negotiations through their belief that the UK government and public would never push too hard secure a better deal for fear of provoking a no deal scenario. On that point about Norway Cap'n Jack - what a load of bollocks that was proposing a "Norway style" deal. FFS, Norway is collection of fishing ports and a population of just 5 million and a massive land border with Sweden - they could do nothing else. Also they have very little international influence, whereas we are a country of some 60 million with the 5th largest economy and massive influence around the world. We continually undersell ourselves, and some of the lame remainers advocating this sort of thing would take anything to remain in a tied customs union would do so again. In all honesty, May now finally going could be the start of some real movement back towards "UK Ltd" rather than trying to appease our "masters" in Brussels. Of course it may not come off even with another more "positive" PM leading the task, but we should throw away the embarrassing begging bowl approach and take on the challenge. If we come out without a deal, then so be it - it can't be any worse than suffering the worldwide humilation over this crap this past 3 years.
Spot on Sparkey we undervalue our country and people. Let’s put the Great back into Britain and go for WTO prices will drop and we deal without the puppet masters in Brussels dictating who we deal with, how much we sell and buy for. Can’t wait for us to get out and watch them sharks come crawling.
Isn't it amazing. All of this difficulty and mess that we're in, but CJS and RR have told us that all we need is a 'strong' leader (oh how abstract) and everything will be fine. I'm definitely going to believe them over the experts. And on another note I actually found Cliftonville's last post to be spot on (+ lovely bit of irony of CJS liking that post despite it contradicting exactly what he was saying yesterday). It's a funny old day!
I would like to point out, the way it’s going I just want a end to it. What I find ironic is chatting about it on a football forum being told I’m wrong and yet no one really knows what is going to happen whilst calling MEP’s unelected etc. If anybody seriously things because we got over two world wars that we can do it all again is seriously deluded as we ain’t built like that generation. We are more concerned with not offending anyone. Some here actually believe we won the war without help from Europe and the yanks show how much they actually know about our history. So I will leave this here to digest.
Rob, if you were alive in 39 you'd have said the same thing. You'd have been backing/appeasing the 'peace in our time' clown. Many have faith, just like I do in Great Britain and saying what we need is a'strong leader'. Thank God we found one in Churchill back then because sure as hell he DID make a difference. It wasn't as you say 'abstract'. I am not saying any of the Tory contenders are fit to wipe Churchill's boots just that a strong leader with conviction of the cause, unlike May, can make a huge difference. Junker and co realised from the start they were dealing with a pathetic and weak individual who never for one moment believed in Brexit. They took the p*ss. Maybe it wont be 'fine', who knows it might just as well be the best thing ever, but should/if we ever leave watch the basket cases in the EU go first. ROD's concrete business will survive long after that corrupt lot in Brussels implode.
Of coarse it will still be going, like I said it’s the second most consumed product after water, so it will carry on. Lucky enough people like me are in demand at the moment as there don’t seem to be any young ones coming into my side of the business. I’ve stated from the word go that I just want to get on with it. I lost but I was wavering anyway so no great heart-ship to me. What I do find ironic is some still believe that when it happens all the non British people will be packing their bags and put onto ships out of here. People can claim that’s not true but we all know people who voted on immigration only. We’ve even had someone on this thread saying similar along the lines “get down and vote, and show the unelected we mean business” whilst not realising this is the vote on who represents us in EU. All I’m trying to say is we’ve all got opinions but we shouldn’t be trying to get people to believe it like we know it’s a fact when all said and done none of us know.
