If there was a 2nd referendum and there were 3 choices of 1) Leave with May's deal. 2) Leave with no deal. 3) Remain..... and the results come back as the following... Leave with May's deal 33% Leave with no deal 33% Remain 34% Who wins?
No I haven't I said... Brexit party will obviously do well and probably will win overall. However I am sure the remainers will spin off some stats to suggest they won, like if you add up the Lib Dems, Greens and Change UK together they beat Brexit. Followed by... Leave: Brexit and UKIP vs Remain: Lib Dems, Greens and Change. Labour and Tories don't know what they want hence they are both getting smashed. I don't know why Change has bothered to set up a new party as they knew they would split the remainer votes. Why didn't they just join the Lib Dems? But to answer your question, no its not ridiculous. You don't add up different parties to make an argument that remain won overall. Remainers should have arranged to join forces if they wanted to add it up together. Followed by... My point stands. The more parties who all want the same thing then it will split votes. Should work together not separately. Its their own fault. Rob, I struggle to see where I have contracted myself! I guess you have drunk a fair few amount of shots so far so maybe that explains why you are confused!
South East results in.... Brexit wins again. Nearly a million votes for Brexit party! 260k more than 2nd place. 4 MEP seats.
No it wasn’t, the referendum in Wales it was 52.5% to leave. Because you are stupid that means more than half who voted, voted to leave (that was not a dig at leavers just RR) . So it was never a shock to see Brexit party win in Wales. Which seeing as Wales receives a high amount of EU funding, and lowest immigration in the UK it went against the forecast for votes.
It's not first past the post but proportional representation. Apparently there are a number of models used across the EU. I think ours works along the lines of first past the post gets a seat. The number of votes they had is then halved. They go again. Whoever has the most votes then gets the next seat. Their votes are then halved and we go again and again until all the seats are gone. Not sure I fully get it it, but in explains the nonlinear split of seats by votes. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27187434
Simply put the Brexit party have smashed it in 45 days. Something the mainstream party’s need to understand the people have said it again. Get the **** out of the EU
Actually all that's happened is the Farage vote has switched from UKIP to this new party and gained a little. The reporting of 'OMG six week old party smashes elections' is, while accurate, a little disingenuous. Put it this way, they won't be getting that much of the vote in a general election.
Tories had better wake up and deliver the goods, Corbyn will have to get off his lazy ass , make a decision, very possibly submit to his remoaners or crash, the rest no change. Cable is going, May has ended her disasterous reign I wonder how long Corbyn and his contagion will cling on.
Yep, the Brexit party got 32% of the votes. UKIP are down 24% so Brexit party took UKIP's 24% and took a further 8% off the other parties. When you say Brexit party took UKIP's and "gained a little", I think 8% is not really "a little". Considering the other new party, who are very anti-brexit - the Change UK party, only got 3%, that 8% is massive and embarrasses the CHUKs. When you got the Brexit party winning in Corbyns back yard too, that tells Corbyn how well he has fukked up. And as for thinking Brexit party wont do well in a general election, if the UK doesn't come out of the EU by the next deadline, Brexit party will extremely well.
Can’t find the bit you said short pain for long term gain. So I will use this one to get your attention. How long do you envisage the short term pain? What industry sector do you work in to see this short term pain through? Not digs just generally interested. I work in heavy goods construction in Ready Mixed Concrete (the second most consumed product on earth to water, and only one of the big players is British owned ) and can see my industry taking a hit in this short term pain. I’m 53 and if this short term pain drags on I could be ****ed.
I heard just now a remainer politician say there were more votes for remain parties and that he looks at the result in a positive way because the overall votes show over 50% now want to remain so there should be another referendum The response back to him from Laura Kuenssberg said: "That's just deflecting away from the fact that the Brexit party won and got more votes and more seats than anyone else. I now you are trying to find positives but looking for ways to spin the actual results into your favour is clutching a straws really. And in reality, there were probably more votes for the Leave parties." The remainer politician asked how did she work that out and Laura said: Those who wanted to leave the EU would vote for the Brexit party and UKIP. They got 35% of the votes combined. Those who wanted to remain in the EU would vote for the CHUKs and the Lib Dems. They got 23% of votes combined. The remainer politician asked "What about the Green party?" Laura replied, its not a general election. Its a European election and these are always protests votes for the thing you want most. So if you want to remain, you vote for the CHUKs and the Lib Dems. If you want to leave, you vote for the Brexit party and UKIP. If you are more interested in getting away from the leave/remain debate and want something done about climate change then you vote for the Green party. This is what voters would have done as there are a lot of people who see climate change more important than Brexit." The remainer politician was outraged by this. Laura then said "Ok, lets add the Green party 12% 0f votes, with the CHUKs 3% of votes and the Lib Dems 20% of votes. That's 35%, which is the same as the total for the Brexit party combined with UKIP which got 35%. The 3 remain parties, if you insist on including the Greens, couldn't beat the 2 leave parties which includes a dying UKIP. Not sure how anyone remainer can claim victory here." Brilliant. Absolutely brilliant
couple posts in different threads on here show how it works pretty fair way of doing it what other methods are used? supposed to be unilateral
That depends ROD. This is what I put at comment 130 on this thread on page 7...... So ROD, I would like to say it would take just a few years, 4 at the most to start recovering. A strong PM who gets on with it and taking no prisoners in the process, is needed. Someone strong like Farage - but please not him! Its all about being prepared and right now, to me, not a single politician is prepared to stand up and be counted for because of the state parliament is in right now. Not a single politician looks like a natural leader. Not a single politician looks strong enough to actually get good deals. So it will probably take 10+ years to get any sort of deal. Major changes is needed in parliament for the UK to stop looking like a complete joke. If this don't happen then im sorry to say this but you will be fukked, just like all of us.
Farage has smashed it - the only people who can't see it are those that don't want to. Much of the electorate has declared what they want one way or another, as opposed to those who've voted for the traditional parties doing so through either loyalty or just habit. They can't have voted for a clear policy because neither have got one. The real winners are those who have come out and voted for what they believe in, and that's the Brexiteers or the Lib Dems who sit on the opposite sides of the divide. The mainsteam parties are riven with conflict as opposed to the others who have a clear mandate to pursue.. It's probably fair to say that a large proportion of those who actually voted Tory or Labour would have polarised toward one of the others had they not stood. That would have effectivley have been another referendum in all but name. If you follow that through to its' logical conclusion, on the basis of the percentage of votes actually cast for Brexit or Lib Dems, then the result would have been a clear vote for Brexit.
Leave parties - Brexit 31.7%, UKIP 3.6%; Total 35.3% Remain parties - LD 18.6%, Green 11.1%, Change 2.8%, SNP 3.4%; Total 35.9% Unclear parties - Lab 14.1%, Con 8.7% Others 6%; Total 28.8%. Nobody will know how the 28.8% would lean in Leave/Remain vote. The turnout was 37%, versus 72% in the Referendum. Disastrous night for Con, Labour, Change and UKIP. The biggest UK party in the European parliament by far will be called BREXIT. And 60% of the population did not care (be arsed) enough about the EU to vote to prevent this.
It is unilateral. Each country decided on its own way of doing it independently. They don't need to agree it with anyone else. The UK is applying the model it decided upon. The link I attached depicts 3 models. Each member state works to one of those models or a variation thereof.
