Off Topic Political Debate

It was you that lacked the ability to find the report that rubbished the line you had taken for months. You must look beyond the enclave for information. How's the Tory membership application going?

 

It gives him a weird pleasure.. Certainly the oddest member of this message board since dolly the sheep on the old BBC group

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It wasn't a report that anyone could find because it didn't exist. You are still showing your lack of ability to distinguish between a report and an opinion piece, by calling it a report.

 

It was more than a comment piece, it clearly set out the options and stages of any potential opposition to the changes in the Tory government's position. It concluded, as I have been saying for ages, that the default position is leave on a no deal basis if an agreement cannot be reached.
Her conclusion was: "It looks a near impossible task for MPs to stop a prime minister who is determined to leave the EU without a deal"

 

Why did you insist that it was a parliamentary report?

 

Because he wants to big up what he's saying

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And with the result.. Splitting the Tory party and uniting most wings of parliament who believe in the authority of Parliament not government.. A virtually unconstitutional, well if we had one, thing to do.. Suicide for the PM that does this and their government.. It will not happen...

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It would take someone who was monumentally stupid to even try and do such a thing. A narcissistic buffoon who ignores everyone (other than those who agree) and when it all goes pear shaped blames others for not warning of the perils ahead. I wonder which candidate fits that bill? Goodness help us - he will probably tell us that a parliamentary report said he could do it

 

Whoever ''her'' was, she quite clearly knows nothing about British politics whatsoever - the only thing necessary to bring down a PM is for MPs to walk ie. from one side to the other, and it doesn't need many to achieve this. Also, if you have quoted correctly, her grammar is also not up to scratch - which you would have expected from a serious article.

 

Getting on to another subject here - I do not understand why the results of Dutch exit polls have been announced already, I thought that all this had to wait until the voting in all countries had been completed.

 

Agreed..

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Yes I made that point when I found the exit poll and posted the result on here. It would appear that similar confusion about councils preparations for the election also took place in Holland as in the UK, with voters being denied the opportunity to vote. There you had to make a second application to vote in the EU election despite being on the electoral roll. Seems that thousands of EU nationals living in the country were not aware of that.

 

This is by far the most important issue... Not having access to the right to vote due to bureaucratic mismanagement...

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I don't really understand this Frenchie. I have always voted in the EU. elections here in Germany, also before taking German citizenship, and that was without making any sort of application whatsoever. When you move home in Germany you are required to register it with the local authorities, and you are automatically on the electoral role, without asking to be put there - I am pretty certain this is also the case in the Netherlands.

 

I have also voted here, and have received my voting card for tomorrow. There was a campaign here to encourage people to make sure that they were on the electoral roll, but I have not seen anything else. I have never registered as such, but was put on the roll soon after I moved here. Whatever is going on comes down to individual countries not being properly prepared. In the UK EU nationals living in the country had to sign a form to say they would not vote in another country, which seems daft to me, but these forms were signed by many, yet the information within the councils didn't get as far as the polling stations. The electoral commission was warning the government as early as January there would be problems with the system, but they were ignored because the UK population would not be voting.

 

Interesting point. Working in London you regularly see queues outside embassies and high commissions for people to vote in their "home" country elections so should have been prepared really. This genuinely was cock up rather than conspiracy and may not have been confined to the UK.

 

It does seem to me to be a cock up rather than a conspiracy, but really does need an investigation. I was lucky that my council was on the ball, and I received voting papers in time to send them back, but there are thousands in France who have not. Due to cut backs the Embassy in Paris is only open from time to time, and in any case it is 350 kms away from here. No chance to ever vote there for anything even if you live in the city. But the point is that the EU election covers all the countries, and is not a national election. I chose to vote in the UK for obvious reasons rather than France, but did have the option. People from the UK are removed from the register in England after 15 years even if they pay taxes still in the country. Another promise to change that rule not kept by this government. To be able to vote in the same election should be simple, and I don't really see many people double voting, certainly not enough to distort the results.

 

Unfortunately I come under the 15 year ruling when it comes to voting in the UK. On principle I think that people should vote where they pay their taxes - which would make it all much simpler. I have no real beef about not being able to vote in the UK. if I know that the 3 million tax paying EU. citizens in the UK can vote on my behalf. I was disenfranchised in the time between completing 15 years absence from the UK, and taking German citizenship, which was about 12 years ie. I could not vote in general elections in either country during that time. If you are not going to allow people to vote then don't take taxes from them - no taxation without representation, and all that stuff. What hurts me is hearing the individual stories of EU citizens in the UK who were told, rather bluntly, to ''vote in their own countries''. In fact I would not want to be a EU citizen in the UK at the moment, which is a sad thing to say, as Britain once had a welcoming image. A further comparison which is worth thinking about - after having satisfied all the conditions for German naturalization the administrative costs were € 255 - the equivalent cost in the UK. is 1,300 pounds, together with having to take an oath to the monarchy (something which many British people could not do).

 

https://www.newstatesman.com/politi...I-GrwmV_Svrbybv9vUFSGFhBt6SfVj2QdczuNnw0UYy7k

Damming but refreshing critique of BoJo and the pm selection process here....

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Eight of the same tired old faces want the PM's job so far. I wonder when someone that is supposed to be lurking in the "large pool of talent" will appear on the scene?