It's not China, India or Trump putting me off, it's all this culture of being forced to do it, otherwise you're the devil incarnate. I can see why it needs to be done, but like democracy it should come from within rather than be imposed from outside, so it grows organically (excuse the pun).
I recycle plastic, glass, card and paper. It’s no great hassle for me and the deposits are only a couple of hundred metres away.
I think they are being taken seriously. I just watch the coverage on Ch4 News, they got nearly 10 minutes airtime, which they would not have got by writing polite letters. And it's hard not to be sympathetic to their message - especially in London, where the air quality is ****ing appalling due mostly to diesel emissions.
With respect, recycling is not really much of a solution, unless it is combined with a drastic reduction in the use of plastic wrapping in the first place.
On C4 that doesn’t surprise me. I’m still not sure when people see what they’re doing that their first reaction is going to be sympathetic. And doing it on public transport is just plain ****ing stupid. Agreed about London. I think eventually central London will have to be closed to all but essential traffic.
I agree but it has been like that for a long time as most Cities are, Edinburgh being the worst in my experience as an ex-resident. York is bad too, small City, lots of tourists means lots of traffic. Maybe this lot should be looking at the whole picture though as to why things have got so bad in the last 5/6 years. It's only the tip of the Iceberg..
Interesting to see how the UK government deal with it. So far they just seem to be arresting a load of people. Obviously they are a bunch of cocks disrupting peoples lives but i'm just quietly observing the BBC reporting on the situation and whether they will put up with this for 6 months compared to when HK got pillorised when the umbrella movement happened
This is the chart of the population It's gone up 5x since 1900, as well as us consuming more. Mentioned it in the politics thread and i'll mention it here, anyone seriously wanting to combat climate change needs to think about population control. Less humans, less need for food, materials, heating etc.
Agree 100% . But humanity is , not knowingly perhaps , poisoning / killing the very basics of life . No doubt nature will win out in the end , but just look at what , as a species , we have done to this planet .
I don't disagree. I think the message has been very badly delivered, possibly not by accident, as there's a lot of money involved on many sides, and it makes for a good political football. Its got itself bound up in arguments about numbers and blame. A fair few of the 'remedies' only move the problems or generate new ones and I include the so called greener options being pushed. In my view, it needs to be kept basic and simple. Few could argue that we need to protect resources, whether that's the stuff we dig up, or the media we put it in when we've finished.
well actually when you think about it, china emits double the emissions but has nearly triple the population. We've got credit in the bank mate
i would say people are definitely taking more notice and they are getting loads of coverage on the BBC so i would say their strategies working. Not sure anyone will listen ultimately though, people are too selfish
Although it's a concern, I struggle to climate strange seriously. Not that it isn't a serious concern, but in reality it means fook all to governments other than words and money. There is a lot of very basic things in the UK we could have done a long time ago, but refused to do so. The problem is globalisation and the greed that is driving it and as a consumer we are the end product user of it, whether that be energy, fuel or plastics etc, but it starts well before it gets to the consumers, but everything is normally targeted at the consumer for taxation purposes, rather than dealing with it at source, but dealing with problems at source dosen't generate revenue!
Just think of all the fuel (CO2 emissions) that will be saved when car parts are not going back and forth between the UK and Europe 6 times during production, massive.
I agree with this but here's the thing, about a year ago a section of Oxford Road in Manchester was declared to have the highest pollution in the UK. That section of the road is buses only. Now I appreciate that wasn't in the minds of the protesters today as some reason for disrupting public transport, but the problem is still there, even with public transport.
The claims of high pollution levels by the media and even some official stats are not always what they read as.
I added official bodies. Some of the results are from models that don't necessarily match what's there.
I think (and I'm speaking from memory here) it was through pollution measurements at specific sites. The only reason it caught my eye at the time was because it's not far from where I work. I don't know how they would use models in those instances but if true then fair enough.
