yup. if hed taken them on in court and fought off the allegations rather than hide it might have been more powerful
I don't see how fighting off unrelated charges makes the content of the leaks any more or less powerful tbh. Partly because he's not the protector or defender of the content, simply the reporter. A bit like saying it was the job of Woodward and Bernstein to hold Nixon to account rather than the U.S. Attorney General. Once it's reported and out in the open, it's the job of the justice system and public opinion to hold the perpetrators of those actions to account.
At this point the story has merely been when will assange get out or be taken out of the embassy. he's been locked away from acces to tell the story. so if he had a day in court back years ago nobody could have denied the content of the story. In short the media made the story about him not about the content The world moves quick now. if the thing wasn't bold and in faces and assange sacrificing himself to take a stand rather than being the nut in the embassy it may just have had a small bit more impact. plus obama pardoned manning.... so he'd have been on the circuit now telling his story. just my opinion
my view on all of this is one of wondering. I am wondering if the general public are still squarely behind the EU is evil mindset or have they realised that while the eu was this thing over the channel that they were told was the root off all our problems and were out to take our miles, pounds and ounces and make us drones. I am wondering if Farage's new party would get anywhere near the votes that UKIP used to get before the brexit vote. I don't know but i have a feeling we are going to find out.
Like to see the conservatives and labour become completely irelevant and lose all power and new parties formed,and ones hopefully with ****ing morals. Never happen sadly.
Actually I think his new party could be quite dangerous. Yes people did or did not want Brexit before, with some hardline right wing people voting for UKIP. However now we have pretty much a single political issue that everyone cares about. All the Brexiteers will likely vote for the brexit party.
No Deal Brexiteers. This is the thing about the 17.4 million myth. Its not 17.4 million who voted for a single reason. (Unlike the Remain, where there was only one reason to vote remain), people voted Brexit for a number of different reason and have different opinions on how it should be delivered. This new party just splits the Brexit side even more. Now hard line Brexiteers have two options UKip or Farage.
I really don't know they will. I mean yes it's an ideal protest vote if you are that way inclined but you only need look at america for where that leads. I mean... the libs made themselves the party of remain last year and nobody voted for them.
there's lots of reasons to vote remain. Just as many as to got leave. many will have been afraid due to earnings given. many will be pro Europe and pro peace. some.might be federalists. some might just think being a 600mil block is far better in a world of 7 billion than being 60mil
I agree with this, but do you not think some of the 17.4m who weren't hard line have been affected by the whipping up from "they haven't respected the will of the people", "they are traitors", "they've betrayed the 17.4m" and those will now vote UKIP or Farage.
To clarify the 16.5 Million might have different reason to vote Remain, but there was one clear outcome of what would happen if Remain won. Brexit had not clear plan and no clear why of making it happen
Are we really that bothered about the MEP elections. Those who oppose UKIP and the Brexit Party should ALL turn out and vote, but other than that what's the point? Even if they do well in the European elections, both will achieve fck all domestically in a GE.
Yes and no. Some will have been turned by said rhetoric, some will have been put off by the same. Some who don't want to be seen as nationalistic. Point is its never been 17.4 m for one type of Brexit, so every time a No dealer uses 17.4 as a reason to have No Deal is bollocks, cause large numbers voted for different types of Brexit. Its the same with this new party, its only going to attract the same type of people who would have voted Ukip, the fringe Right Wing parties and maybe Tory. So it splits the Right wing even further.
I would also include certain types of industry who voted for Leave thinking it was one thing and then scared ****less when they realised it could be a No Deal and what that would mean for their livelihoods. So people in the farming industry and the average worker in manufacturing and car industry who thought it would actually improve the "buy British" mantra will now be looking at tariffs to the EU, competition from cheap imports from the U.S. and problems with parts coming into the U.K. and thinking fck that.
by the same logic the proportion of 16mil who really want reamin wìll turn out and vote for candidates. we have to remember something here. the only northern irish voices being heard by the Tories are the dup. they don't repress t every one. so we have the debacle.of the Sinn Fein seat being idle as a whole.community in northern Ireland refuse to engage. those 7 could.have carried indicative votes. now people are advocating the uk sending not abstentionists but active disrupters to a democratic parliament. On one hand they ignore the rule.of law which says a parliament in eu must have representation for every population by it can shout and wave their arms about 17.4million voters have spoken. it is after all entriely.childish at this point. We will be right back here. if there not a ge.
I remember the big hullabaloo when Football Manager added brexit to their games. They envisioned all sorts of possible outcomes from what I recall and what type of brexit you got was random... I don't think they envisioned a never-ending brexit where it kept getting delayed though.
UK stands somewhere between EU and US on policywise. As an outside observer it feels weird to look back home and see how it has moved closer to being similar to America in many ways... It's not the Britain I grew up in ... but despite that it is still more Europe than America. I'd dread a brexit that forced the worst of both worlds on Britain. American trade agreements stepping on consumer rights and heavy European regulation stifling British economy. I fear that Britain would end up with the worst of both worlds. I also fear what will happen to the EU without Britain's "veto of reason". So many terrible ideas out of France have been stopped by Britain over the years... EU could slide and being a close trading partner that could bring the UK down with it. General Elections worry me these days too. There seems no central ground any more, the conservatives are in power, but only way labour will take control is by bowing to SNP for help. What concessions would SNP demand to give Corbyn their blessing? I'm sure there would be a loaded referendum lined up. 20 years from now Britain could be fractured with no part having the economic clout on their own to negotiate for good deals with either the EU or the US. The next labour win will probably lead to Scottish Independence and without EU either the UK becomes an even smaller player in the world.
I find it funny how the fda in America is not considered heavy regulation but it is as strong as anything in the eu. An example of what I call the wild west is social media and tech giants. The past 10-15 years has created a massive massive disaster where the giants can sell anyone for profit but if the eu create a simple enough law called gdpr it's heavy handed. It's all perception. The funny thing is Merkel is an archetypal conservative. He's more Tory than what mogg and Johnson are today. These guys are basically libertarians out for a quick buck
