please log in to view this image Conditions for short Brexit delay have not been met, says Berlin Germany’s EU affairs minister has complained that “absolutely nothing has changed” in Westminster, 24 hours before the bloc’s leaders come together to decide on a possible Brexit delay. Michael Roth said cross-party talks had not offered any hope of an imminent Brexit breakthrough, leaving the UK facing a no-deal or a long extension to its EU membership. Theresa May has written to Brussels asking for a limited extension until 30 June to allow her to get the withdrawal agreement approved in the Commons.
I dont understand how its allowed or legal to have the power or influence to effect something you personally can benefit from financially. I was told when younger the rich look after the rich and **** everyone else. Sadly true.
Is there any point of Brexitting with a customs union? We’ll have the same EU regulations except that we won’t have any say in making regulations and we’ll have no complete freedom to do our own external deals. Basically much inferior position than now. Only doing it to satisfy the will of the referendum in 2016. What a ****ing mess!
None. "a customs union" = ? The customs union = the single market = EEA = blah blah blah and we know thats 4 freedoms. What would anyone leave, pay 90% of the money you pay in anyway (for access), sign up to all the regulations, have no vetos, no voting rights etc... It's nuts. If "a customs arrangement" means something different. aka some form of visa system for those horrid foreigners but free trade agreement still then lets see what that means. In short the EU have always allowed the UK away with some of the thornier issues. IF we leave and say we find well **** we have to do all of this anyway and our major economy is now a satellite of much bigger block even though its a major economy then.... what does that mean. rejoin? The issue with rejoin is you've now a free trade with 4 freedoms agreed.... so what will the eu say to the uk about joining? a) no vetos guys. b) join the euro guys c) tax harmonisation guys etc etc etc We are giving up special conditions in eu right now to leave. We ought to be leaving to something better (but there isn't anything better the numbers have shown) so we are leaving to leave. But to do so we need a deal that gives us some access to the massive trading block but we don'twant to admit that means aligning on regulations
Yeah but IF we had maintained the Common Market and never signed up to Maastricht I doubt we would ever have had a referendum and I'm convinced the majority of people wouldn't have an issue of leaving now. In that sense a Brexit with a Customs Union takes us back to a similar position 26 years ago.
I think a lot of Brexiteers fail to realise just how similar and how much in common we have with the rest of the EU. Yes the EU itself has led us down that path, but we are better off for it. Human rights, working rights, food, culture, education and so on are all so similar. Whereas a lot of people think we have more in common with the USA, but if you take away the language we are leagues apart in many aspects. In fact the language issue is hardly one in Europe as most people can speak or have an understanding of English.
You got me thinking why that is and I think if we'd been connected to the USA and had the same bullshit tabloid headlines for 40 years damning the USA, we'd probably have a large population thinking the same about them. Agree about the human rights, workers rights, health and safety regulations for our food, the culture etc. These are the things that drive my view for remaining in the EU. Another thing that ppl don't see is the revenue the EU brings to the UK. All this bollox about the amount we pay in. We get lots in return directly and indirectly through business, research and development and that's before we look at the tax fines the EU have slapped on Google and Facebook etc. No fcking chance we'd manage to get anything out those firms on our own. And we get a huge chunk of that because it's divided by the greatest contributors to the EU.
yes but that wasn't an option then. The issue is theres 26 years of "stuff" built up aorund the structures of the eu that successive governments both tory and labour agreed to IF you have brexit and a common market its not 26 years ago its norway and EAA or swiss model EFTA. you've given up all your special bonus powers to take on a satellite status. What tory boy johnson proposed and hasn't been heard from since was "canada" with is a free trade agreement which is for a much small er economy and for much narrow sets of products and services In effect pre maastrcht is EC not EU. The fact is the EC doesn't exist any more and can't just be got back to. I personally think the EU has gone to far already but thats not the same as wanting out and let the whole of europe burn for all i care attitude.
Yeh but it's still the closest option because like you say so much has been built around it politically that we can't go back to the EEC. Me personally, I could take ALL the stuff that's happened in those 26 years since Maastricht but the single biggest mistake was the expansion of the EU in 2004. Or at the very least, if UK had opted out of the freedom of movement of ppl from those countries. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not necessarily against the expansion, BUT it was a massive PR coup for the likes of UKIP and something they could use to build up public opinion "blame the foreigners" instead of looking at the actual cause which was the Credit Crunch of 2008 and austerity. So I'll make a slight amendment to my earlier post and say, even with Maastricht, had we not had the 2004 expansion (or got veto on freedom of movement into UK for only those new countries) then public opinion would largely be to remain.
In an age of Putin trump Xing and all sorts of powerful regional blocs it is fanciful to think that Britain could have a more powerful and influential role out on its own. Many of those who think that are still nostalgic about the empire days.
except its not an option? The reality it the eu has embarked on a mission to turn the entire 28 or now 27 into the same level of states but it will take decades cos its take germany internally 25 years or more to get east germany where it is and its not there yet. The reality is the poles ahve flooded the rest of europe and wont go home and the same has happened across the baltic states. they have escaped and even if its improving rapidly at home they just dont want to. Its xenophobia pure and simple from there. It will take another 50 years before the countries on the periphery of the EU to come up to the levels germany and france enjoy. the issue for me now is we had no plan, have no plan and 100% look like crashing out on friday,
It's a funny thing but the only two options are either remain or to leave with no deal in place and roll the dice. Any deal will leave us tied to Europe, following there lead but with no influence.
The irony is that leaving means we stay in the EU but on worse terms than remaining. Funny if it wasn't stupid.
please log in to view this image Emergency No-Deal Brexit Work Intensifies At Vital Government Department Emergency no-deal Brexit planning has been ramped up at a key government department responsible for food supply, with officials now working 24 hours a day to minimise potential disruption HuffPost UK has learnt that the EU Exit Emergency Centre (EUXE), based in the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (Defra), has intensified operations this week amid fears of a potential accidental no-deal Brexit on Friday. A no-deal Brexit would see tariffs imposed on goods travelling to and from the EU and the introduction of customs checks, potentially causing major delays at ports.
I get the tarrifs on goods but why customs checks on goods and it can cause delays. Why not leave the ****ing thing as it is if it works.
Another 'win' for the privatised railways and Grayling: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47877858 Stagecoach mustn't be bunging the Tories as much as they used to, or maybe, given the instability of the government, they don't think it's worth it.
