I think that's the problem with most things. No need to find out, just rage against it with fake claims. I don't particularly care one way or the other whether they teach it or not. If someone says "nah don't like the idea" fair enough, but actually making **** up without checking if you're spouting bollox just spreads "fake news". Next thing you know some ****s going into mosques shooting up people
I can't recall who it was relating it, but some of the alleged comments in the staff room and even night clubs, do leave you wondering if some of the teachers and helpers are aware enough to give lessons on the topic.
I went to a LGBT group therapy session about a month ago.. pretty surreal experience, learnt a lot. I also walked out thinking thank **** I'm not there for myself.
https://www.economist.com/britain/2...parents-oppose-lgbt-lessons-in-primary-school Islam and LGBTQ rights are not compatible something has to give.
Si I’ve already stated that I can’t see why anyone would object to kids being told these relationships happens and that’s fine. Like fan said you are pushing a lgbt v Muslims when you know that as you put it ‘are not compatible’ is an issue for several religious groups and non religious groups.
Tbf saw it coming. Just wasn't sure who it would be Raises a valid point though. Who says schools and individual teachers are the right people to teach our kids about morals and other stuff? Parental responsibility imo I'd rather a parent teach a kid their view on a subject than a teacher. Both will be bringing in personal agendas and or bias but as parents we have to live with our kids. And potentially pick up the pieces
Thinking way too deep about this, if they are only advising of different types of relationships and letting them know it’s perfectly normal and ok what is the issue? It’s not as they will be talking about swingers or doggers ffs. It’s being made into an issue it’s not
Ok so this is just a bit of what I found with the issue, and as I said it's subject to change if I find other stuff. It seems the moffat guy has a deceptive approach to delivering the topic. He has previous for it when the programme was called CHIPS. Obviously the media are focusing on the frothing at the mouth types (see duncs clips of the Muslim woman) The issue is bigger from what I have read and people across the board, including politicians and teaching authorities have been involved. It seems the fella latched onto prevent and the Trojan issue in brum to further his agenda. He also does work outside the school to promote his programme. (Which in itself is no issue) The kind of thing that has raised eyebrows across the board (from a few years back) is the "deception" of getting around educational legal jargon to push his programme/agenda So for example the dfe in it's guidelines states that all SRE (sex and relationship and education) has to be delivered in a certain way which takes into account a pupils background and also has involvement of parents. The no outsiders programme tells even staff who are uncomfortable with it that the bottom line is that the law says promote equality and diversity so just do it. Ignoring the pupils parental beliefs and their involvement in the process Also if you go onto likes of mumsnet and see clips on YouTube where certain parts of the programme are covered it's not comfortable imho. There seems to be a consensus that it isn't as proclaimed about being about diversity but about pushing an agenda and the stories used are blatant and very confusing to young children. I'm sure not all will see all the books in the way some are. But they do seem to be saying in parts that your parents and/or their belief is wrong. Education is about delivering something and allowing people to make the choice. Not enforcing a view As I say still looking so subject to change PS I agree it's being made into something it's not. It's been going on since 2014 with this fella and his programme. It certainly isn't Muslims v gay guy
I am not the mainstream press you mong , I have given various links from different newspapers. You think I invented this story ? If you don't wish to criticise Islam then that's fine. Even your alt left hero Owen Jones is talking about it in the Guardian . You don't believe the Guardian? https://www.theguardian.com/world/v...es-to-the-centre-of-the-lgbt-lesson-row-video
So how do you feel about the fact that the DFE clearly states that SRE education is to be delivered with beliefs and parental involvement but this particular fella and the guy have told folk no it's the law and those who said they wanted to remove their kids (again clearly stated in DFE guidelines) are being labelled as radicalization and outside British law?
Fan I'll be honest with you, there was one single big mistake the school/HT/DHT made, and had they avoided this mistake most, if not all, of this mess would've been avoided. Now I don't know the full S.P. on this and I may be wrong, but they didn't hold any parents consultation meeting BEFOREHAND, discussing what they were going to introduce, why they were introducing it, how they were going to deliver it, what was going to be taught and at what age. Then listened to parents concerns and had those difficult conversations BEFOREHAND and hopefully come to a suitable compromise which everyone or at least the vast majority would have agreed to. This usually involves discussions with the PTFA but imo on such a sensitive issue the school could've developed a wider Parent/Community group and then a separate parents meeting if necessary. I say this because I've personally had to manage sensitive issues such as Ramadan during hot summer months where young children were at risk, as well as residential trips which were also a tricky subject. These were situations that the schools were already experiencing difficulty with, but if you reach out before the event and have a discussion I've found most misunderstandings are resolved without fuss - misunderstandings between perceptions of what is being introduced as well as misunderstandings on perceptions of the intentions of the school. The way the school appears to have gone about this was all wrong imo, by the senior leadership team. It comes across as either incompetence or a sense of "we're going to get resistance but fck it we're right" attitude. I wonder what kind of school/parent relationship existed in the first place. Seems like there was mistrust to begin with and that in schools is, more often than not, borne out of a lack of communication.
Yeah I kind of agree. From what I'm seeing the issue is more about what has been attempted to be "sneaked" through rather than anything else. The moffat guy has as one of his "guidelines" that "we are not asking the governor's permission to do this work" And "Parents should be told we teach no outsiders ..." He tries to cite laws that have no foundation in statute. Or that is one argument anyway.
No I have not just focused on Muslims like you tend to, I’d disagree with any group who object to simplistic advice over children being told that there are many types of relationships, as if it’s considered normal when you are very young there is less chance of prejudice as they grow. I do think there is a lot of bollocks thrown in to make it into something it’s not again from all groups including Muslim groups. I think my point my point which I’ve made numerous times now is pretty fair. If this is what I’m suggesting, that junior school children are made aware of various types of relationships and are told this is perfectly ok and their feelings are the same.... what is the problem? Do you have a problem with that? Does anyone? Really? Remember there is no more to what the kids are told!
