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[Treble]

You are right in some of what you say tbf. But there are changes afoot.

So basically the curriculum as it stood/stands allowed certain stuff to be taught to primary but there are motions to apply sex education into it by 2020.

Under older legislation you are right it was secondary when certain elements came into it. So puberty before puberty etc.

In this schools case the deputy head designed something specifically and started to implement it under the relationships agenda, which primary's have, but the content was not what falls under relationships, but under sex education. If that makes sense

I can understand your concern about about 2020 but trust me on this, when it comes to new initiative changes in the curriculum they change like the wind at any given time The number of curriculum proposals I've seen being scrapped overnight is ridiculous - and it's nearly always been for political reasons. The biggest two I can think of were the 2010 New Primary Curriculum scrapped within days of the GE, and then the 2014 curriculum that was brought in. Both decisions based on the government at the time and what floats the boat of the Education Secretary at the time.

 

[thefanwithnoname]

Tge school is in Birmingham.

Can't see any Christians mate

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It seems to have become a Muslims v gays thing but the protests about how the development of a sex education at primary level has been going on for a while, and not just at that school.

 

[thefanwithnoname]

I can understand your concern about about 2020 but trust me on this, when it comes to new initiative changes in the curriculum they change like the wind at any given time The number of curriculum proposals I've seen being scrapped overnight is ridiculous - and it's nearly always been for political reasons. The biggest two I can think of were the 2010 New Primary Curriculum scrapped within days of the GE, and then the 2014 curriculum that was brought in. Both decisions based on the government at the time and what floats the boat of the Education Secretary at the time.

Tbh I'm not overly concerned as such.

My main issue/point is that once again it's become a Muslim v gay media spotlight when it's actually much bigger as an issue in the wider communities.

I agree lots of stuff gets floated and scrapped and tbf even if it becomes curriculum and should be compulsory there are parents who find ways around it.

 

[Treble]

It seems to have become a Muslims v gays thing but the protests about how the development of a sex education at primary level has been going on for a while, and not just at that school.

It's not just though.

https://www.thejc.com/education/edu...about-lgbt-people-will-be-compulsory-1.480655

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https://barnabasfund.org/en/news/mu...rom-uk-school-in-protest-over-lgbt-content-in

 

[Treble]

Tbh I'm not overly concerned as such.

My main issue/point is that once again it's become a Muslim v gay media spotlight when it's actually much bigger as an issue in the wider communities.

I agree lots of stuff gets floated and scrapped and tbf even if it becomes curriculum and should be compulsory there are parents who find ways around it.

Yeh I think they will, but if it's secondary education it may well all die down like it did with sex education about 30 years ago? One way around I've seen is parents using home-schooling but that's a massive loss for the child/children tbh.

 

[thefanwithnoname]

It's not just though.

https://www.thejc.com/education/edu...about-lgbt-people-will-be-compulsory-1.480655

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https://barnabasfund.org/en/news/mu...rom-uk-school-in-protest-over-lgbt-content-in

I was looking into the teacher at the centre of this and found he resigned from a school in 2014, because he came out as gay in a school assembly.

He himself is quoted as saying Christian and Muslim parents complained but the headline was "Muslims force gay teacher to resign"

As with all these type of cases there is probably more to the stories than we hear or what is represented.

 

[DUNCAN DONUTS]

I can understand your concern about about 2020 but trust me on this, when it comes to new initiative changes in the curriculum they change like the wind at any given time The number of curriculum proposals I've seen being scrapped overnight is ridiculous - and it's nearly always been for political reasons. The biggest two I can think of were the 2010 New Primary Curriculum scrapped within days of the GE, and then the 2014 curriculum that was brought in. Both decisions based on the government at the time and what floats the boat of the Education Secretary at the time.

Ask Fan if he would be "comfortable " for his son to marry a homosexual?


Remember your crusade against bigots you were on .

 

[thefanwithnoname]

Ask Fan if he would be "comfortable " for his son to marry a homosexual?


Remember your crusade against bigots you were on .

You can ask me yourself.

I don't shy away from these topics. I also don't just do headline stuff. Being aware that in Islam it's not as simple as the sultan of Brunei et Al make it

 

[Willhoops]

Si seriously has a Muslim broke your heart, did she leave you for a woman? Which do you hate more Muslims or gays?

Anyway there’s no sex education involved, it’s about different types of relationships, which have been opposed by several groups as demonstrated in this thread. Whilst we all know the reason for this thread is because dunc’s even more angry than usual, surely being exposed to the existence and validity of different relationships does nobody harm, seen a few bullshit alternative reasons given by these groups but it’s pretty transparent as to what the real objections are.

 

[Treble]

I was looking into the teacher at the centre of this and found he resigned from a school in 2014, because he came out as gay in a school assembly.

He himself is quoted as saying Christian and Muslim parents complained but the headline was "Muslims force gay teacher to resign"

As with all these type of cases there is probably more to the stories than we hear or what is represented.

There's nothing new about headlines like that though.

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[Treble]

Si seriously has a Muslim broke your heart, did she leave you for a woman? Which do you hate more Muslims or gays?

Anyway there’s no sex education involved, it’s about different types of relationships, which have been opposed by several groups as demonstrated in this thread. Whilst we all know the reason for this thread is because dunc’s even more angry than usual, surely being exposed to the existence and validity of different relationships does nobody harm, seen a few bullshit alternative reasons given by these groups but it’s pretty transparent as to what the real objections are.

You see yesterday I got to that very question and then he said something like I don't want to talk anymore so I respected that and left it. I suspect that's somewhere closer to the truth and the nub of it all

 

[Willhoops]

You see yesterday I got to that very question and then he said something like I don't want to talk anymore so I respected that and left it. I suspect that's somewhere closer to the truth and the nub of it all

 

[DUNCAN DONUTS]

You can ask me yourself.

I don't shy away from these topics. I also don't just do headline stuff. Being aware that in Islam it's not as simple as the sultan of Brunei et Al make it

So is that a yes then ?


Dribble was very disappointed that I would rather my kids marry the opposite sex in a heterosexual relationship.

I have a feeling he won't hold you to the same standards.

 

[Tel (they/them)]

I think they should stop teaching it but not to appease Islam specifically so I answered no. I’m capable of teaching my kids how the world works, they can stick to maths and English.

 

[Saf]

Thanks for your input but it's a Yes No answer .

Clearly stumped many of the alt left regressive types on here that want to champion the LGBT community but don't want to offend Muslims either by accepting LGBT people as normal human beings .


Best poll ever

Religion should not take precedent over anything in the UK. Education comes first and if religious people of any faith get butthurt about what the schools are teaching then that's their problem to deal with. If they can't move with the times then that's their problem and nobody else's.

 

[Tel (they/them)]

Dribble

 

[Saf]

Seriously, if a kid displays obvious gender confusion issues ( yes, it does happen) then that has to be addressed.

Otherwise, why not just leave things alone. Kids can be evil little ****ers and don’t need any encouragement to pick on and bully other kids.

Ffs. Were you shouting this when schools started to cover race equality because of how black people suffered?

You really are a caveman when it comes to how the modern world is evolving.

 

[Treble]

So is that a yes then ?


Dribble was very disappointed that I would rather my kids marry the opposite sex in a heterosexual relationship.

I have a feeling he won't hold you to the same standards.

I seem to have upset you Duncan, I thought you'd moved on from that now

I would rather parents respect their children's wishes when they are old enough to make them and not try to control them or brainwash them with their own bigoted views

 

[Star of David Bardsley]

I doubt Orthodox Jews or other more extreme groups within other religions are all for it either. Seems like another excuse to have a pop at Muslims, the vast majority of whom probably don’t give a toss.

If I ever have a traumatic experience in life, I hope it doesn’t make me tar all of a particular part of society forever.

 

[Saf]

It's just a bit extra added on to sex education, imo. No big deal.

Whatever their sexual orientation they go to work and pay their taxes like everybody else. The kids should be taught that LGBT people are no different to heterosexual people apart from their sexual orientation. There's a stigma which we are even seeing on this thread. Education through good teaching can remove that.

Don't fear the queer