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The Politics Thread

Discussion in 'Tottenham Hotspur' started by Wandering Yid, Feb 9, 2016.

  1. "Thanks for that Brian"

    "Thanks for that Brian" Well-Known Member

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    7 hours in cabinet and nearly 2 weeks after she blamed everyone in Parliament who disagreed with her, and all she and the other ****ers can come up with is...

    "Let's try and make it look like it was Labour's fault......"

    **** me! If anyone votes for a single one of these ****s ever again, they need to spend the rest of all time listening to Vogon poetry.
     
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  2. humanbeingincroydon

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    Also it was posted on April 1st

    ...and ignores the fact that notable non-European countries Australia and Israel take part in it
     
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  3. NSIS

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  4. humanbeingincroydon

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    A decade or so ago there was a Michael Portillo documentary on BBC2 about methods of execution in the USA of America and one interviewee mentioned one method that was being floated of a gas that's not just fast-acting but causes a sense of euphoria in the person as they're being gassed so they accept their fate - yet when he suggested this to a pro-death penalty advocate their face screwed up in pure rage while the tendons in their neck damn near popped out of his skin as he was disgusted at this notion that execution should be quick and painless

    Of course, this being America, there's the one thing I've never worked out: how is it that, with the exception of Utah, a country with such a hard-on for guns doesn't use firing squads as its default method of execution? Not only is the possibility of a botched execution practically nil as that would mean five people managing to miss a stationary target with Winchester rifles, but it would be considerably quicker and cheaper than lethal injection, gas chamber or electric chair
     
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  5. NSIS

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    What really gets at me is the highest court in the land ruling that you’re not entitled to a painless execution.

    Whilst that’s true on the face of it, voting to cause what you know will be a painful death is disgusting. As you say they could order his execution by firing squad.
     
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  6. humanbeingincroydon

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    The execution process itself is grotesque: as they're strapping the person to the gurney they have somebody make a big show of reading out their sentence one final time as if the person on the gurney wasn't aware of why they were there having heard the verdict at the initial trial and variations upon it at each of their four appeals, which is basically done to kill some time between leading them into the chamber, strapping them in and asking for their last words. I'm surprised that nobody's tried to add cheerleaders to the mix, or at the very least pump in the organ music you get at most baseball games

    In comparison, in the UK it was said that the time between opening the condemned's cell and their dropping through the hangman's door was around three minutes, and realistically does an execution need to last longer than that?
     
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  7. Left on the Shelf

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    This 100%
    Its a stitch up, buck-passing farce. But I don't trust Corbyn to either 1) Not fall for it or 2) Not be complicit in engineering the UK out of the EU.
     
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  8. NSIS

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    They’ve both played party politics with this for far too long.

    If they’re genuinely going to try and reach a compromise and a consensus in parliament, I’m all for it considering the way it’s been going.

    If either one or both dicks around they can seriously go and **** ‘emselves.
     
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  9. bigsmithy9

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    Seems to me America say it's ok to kill someone but cruel to kill the killer....and now they are allowing the public to carry guns legally as long as they are hidden! That's asking for trouble!
     
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  10. NSIS

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    In this case the Supreme Court is knowingly allowing an execution by a method that it’s been shown would cause the victim unnecessary pain and suffering.

    I don’t agree with capital punishment one bit, but if the yanks must have it at least make it as humane as possible.
     
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  11. bigsmithy9

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    I don't see why a killer gets away with it. They get looked after in prison with better medical facilities than the man in the street...at the cost to the man in the street!
     
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  12. deedub93

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    One puts a dog to sleep humanely when it goes mad and likely to kill someone, yet when a human goes mad and does kill someone or sometimes many people, most people are anti Capital punishment. Why? What is the difference.?

    Also why are we allowed to put animals to sleep when they are in pain, but not humans save a few sensible countries? Why?
     
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  13. NSIS

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    Because we’re supposedly superior to animals - better than behaving like that. We’re supposedly intelligent, thinking creatures, capable of a wide variety of thoughts and emotions.

    Apart from anything else there’s the irony of trying to teach people that killing other humans is wrong, by..er....killing them.

    It’s revenge pure and simple. There’s no other justification for it.
     
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  14. humanbeingincroydon

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    It appears Nigel Adams has spent too long reading the Daily Wail that he can't tell what they write from reality...

    Says it all that this is the first time I was aware of who the Welsh Minister was...
     
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  15. The RDBD

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    Financial, for starters. The penal system has a material cost.
    The dead do not cost anything beyond the disposal of the body.
     
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  16. humanbeingincroydon

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    ...except for the cost of the three drugs they're injected with/gas used in the chamber/sudden spike in the electricity bill
     
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  17. The RDBD

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    No doubt a mere pittance compared to the N days cost of keeping them
    incarcerated prior to the execution.
     
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  18. humanbeingincroydon

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    In two of those three there's also the cost of storage, transport costs, and (in theory, this being the US...) somebody capable of handling and administering

    Hence I said a few posts back how it makes no sense that, Utah aside, they don't use the firing squad considering the country's collective hard-on for guns. Unless, of course, the NRA think it would be bad PR if guns were shown to be killing people...
     
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  19. The RDBD

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    The processing needs to be expedited, from sentencing to execution.
     
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  20. humanbeingincroydon

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    Okay, so how long do you say the process should take? The main reason I ask is because of the Randall Dale Evans case as featured in The Thin Blue Line (the documentary, not the awful Rowan Atkinson sitcom) as he spent nine years on Death Row in Texas for the murder of a police officer - which he was not only innocent of, but the testimony which convicted him came from the actual murderer while the reason he received the death penalty was because of the testimony of a (since struck-off) psychiatrist with a history of recommending the death penalty in every single trial he was used as witness for the prosecution

    That's the one benefit of the US's lengthy appeals process, it allowed the documentary to be made which cleared Evans' name - something which would not have been possible in numerous countries, for example in the UK it was usually a month between sentencing and hanging.
     
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