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[YorkshireHoopster]

She has capitulated because the majority in her Cabinet have rebelled against her red lines. A clever move to invite Corbyn to the table because she can take him down with her. If he is intransigent as opposed to constructive, he will have shown himself up to all but the most committed Left wing supporters as totally self-centred, stupid and unprepared to work in the national interest. However the fact that she went further in her fall back position by ceding complete control of the outcome to Parliament means that No Deal is now consigned to the dustbin of history. She has promised to participate and cooperate and to abide by the votes made. More importantly, the single thing preventing a consensus being reached. i.e the Tory Whip or boycotting of the process has now been removed by her. To cap it all the extension while she hopes it to be short is in fact open-ended i.e as long as it takes for Parliament to decide. She will then faithfully go to Brussels with that proposal.

There is no way she can wriggle out of that because she did not say it across the despatch box after losing she said it to the nation indeed the world at large live on prime time tv. Unless she wants to go down in history as a political leader caught lying to the nation on tv.

We are at the beginning of the end game although how long that will take remains anybody's guess. It will end in Brexit in some shape or form. The one thing she is absolutely spot on about is that we are all fed up with the political games and that this now needs to be put to bed sooner rather than later. Now that she has heralded loudly to us, the long suffering electorate that she will finally cooperate rather than seek to dictate, I suspect it will happen a lot quicker. Over to you JC. Don't **** it up.

 

[kiwiqpr]

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[Sooperhoop]

Unless she wants to go down in history as a political leader caught lying to the nation on tv.

Oh dear, my sides are splitting...

 

[rangercol]

May’s deal doesn’t include either of these, or at least not necessarily as they aren’t in the political declaration, but it is a deal. It has immigration control, freedom to negotiate trade with anyone who’s interested, possibility of a different kind of deal to anyone else with the EU, no ECJ oversight. We would of course have adopted all EU goods regulations as any third party trading with them has to do that, even the US.

She really delivered for hard line Brexiters, in all except the Irish bit, which was a logical impossibility given her red lines you can’t have no border and no Customs Union at least. She’s not very bright and has been very poorly advised, but the ERG have ****ed it up for themselves. And the rest of us. Without their pig headedness your ‘ruling elite’ would have had no say.

We need the Withdrawal Agreement done at least, otherwise we are in purgatory forever.

I completely agree.
I would be satisfied with May's deal, as I've said before .
I'm getting the impression that she now needs to soften it to get it passed by the ****ers in parliament. In that case, if a customs union and single market are included, I'd prefer no deal.

 

[Star of David Bardsley]

If we're going to end up staying in the CU and SM, then I'd prefer no deal.

Why? What do you gain from that?

 

[Star of David Bardsley]

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Would.

 

[QPR Oslo]

She has capitulated because the majority in her Cabinet have rebelled against her red lines. A clever move to invite Corbyn to the table because she can take him down with her. If he is intransigent as opposed to constructive, he will have shown himself up to all but the most committed Left wing supporters as totally self-centred, stupid and unprepared to work in the national interest. However the fact that she went further in her fall back position by ceding complete control of the outcome to Parliament means that No Deal is now consigned to the dustbin of history. She has promised to participate and cooperate and to abide by the votes made. More importantly, the single thing preventing a consensus being reached. i.e the Tory Whip or boycotting of the process has now been removed by her. To cap it all the extension while she hopes it to be short is in fact open-ended i.e as long as it takes for Parliament to decide. She will then faithfully go to Brussels with that proposal.

There is no way she can wriggle out of that because she did not say it across the despatch box after losing she said it to the nation indeed the world at large live on prime time tv. Unless she wants to go down in history as a political leader caught lying to the nation on tv.

We are at the beginning of the end game although how long that will take remains anybody's guess. It will end in Brexit in some shape or form. The one thing she is absolutely spot on about is that we are all fed up with the political games and that this now needs to be put to bed sooner rather than later. Now that she has heralded loudly to us, the long suffering electorate that she will finally cooperate rather than seek to dictate, I suspect it will happen a lot quicker. Over to you JC. Don't **** it up.

You can't trust May one inch. She is quite likely to say something else next week. Cooper should still push her no deal bill through.

 

[Star of David Bardsley]

You can't trust May one inch. She is quite likely to say something else next week. Cooper should still push her no deal bill through.

She is, for want of a better phrase, a horrible deceitful ****.

 

[DT’s Socks]

No one gets to choose a no deal that surely at last has got through after two years or so?

No one hopefully will ever see or feel the impacts of a no deal ... you will see a exodus of investment and business like nothing before

The price of all of this is already massive but that’s just the tip of the iceberg

 

[sb_73]

Why? What do you gain from that?

In the argot of psychobabble, ‘closure’.

Though whatever the outcome I think there will be a level of argument about this, like radiation at Chernobyl, for the rest of my life, and probably a big chunk of yours. Only the collapse of the EU will end it, or a big war.

From what I understand all May has to do is get the the EU insert words to the effect of ‘potentially including a Customs union’ and ‘shared standards on workers rights and the environment’ into the Political Declaration (which is a meaningless non binding bit of paper) to satisfy Corbyn’s demands, Labour have no problem with the Withdrawal Agreement. Of course, she will destroy her own party in the process. Happy days. We’ll know if she’s prepared to do it by the number of Brexiter ministers who resign.

 

[QPR Oslo]

I completely agree.
I would be satisfied with May's deal, as I've said before .
I'm getting the impression that she now needs to soften it to get it passed by the ****ers in parliament. In that case, if a customs union and single market are included, I'd prefer no deal.

I would be happy enough if we stay in the single market.

 

[DT’s Socks]

In the argot of psychobabble, ‘closure’.

Though whatever the outcome I think there will be a level of argument about this, like radiation at Chernobyl, for the rest of my life, and probably a big chunk of yours. Only the collapse of the EU will end it, or a big war.

From what I understand all May has to do is get the the EU insert words to the effect of ‘potentially including a Customs union’ and ‘shared standards on workers rights and the environment’ into the Political Declaration (which is a meaningless non binding bit of paper) to satisfy Corbyn’s demands, Labour have no problem with the Withdrawal Agreement. Of course, she will destroy her own party in the process. Happy days. We’ll know if she’s prepared to do it by the number of Brexiter ministers who resign.

Totally agree Stanley every single dip or lift will be criticised or praised for the rest of our lives

Agree also that at last the Conservative will have to split hopefully into a few new parties taking some Labour with them

We are still paying for the bloody Olympic Games and now we face decades of new hidden taxes

Still at least we can relaunch the all new electric Morris Ital that will generate hundreds of jobs in an attempt to nick the market share away from Toyota

Plans are also in the pipeline for a joint Honda/ Triumph electric version of the great British car
The aclaim as we are the world’s best at battery technology

 

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[rangercol]

Why? What do you gain from that?

Because staying in the customs union and single market mean staying in the EU in all but name .
We would also have no control and become a vassal state.
If it's that or no deal, I choose no deal, as would most leavers imo.

 

[rangercol]

In the argot of psychobabble, ‘closure’.

Though whatever the outcome I think there will be a level of argument about this, like radiation at Chernobyl, for the rest of my life, and probably a big chunk of yours. Only the collapse of the EU will end it, or a big war.

From what I understand all May has to do is get the the EU insert words to the effect of ‘potentially including a Customs union’ and ‘shared standards on workers rights and the environment’ into the Political Declaration (which is a meaningless non binding bit of paper) to satisfy Corbyn’s demands, Labour have no problem with the Withdrawal Agreement. Of course, she will destroy her own party in the process. Happy days. We’ll know if she’s prepared to do it by the number of Brexiter ministers who resign.

It's a bit more than closure isn't it?
Staying in the customs union and single market means not leaving.

 

[Star of David Bardsley]

Because staying in the customs union and single market mean staying in the EU in all but name .
We would also have no control and become a vassal state.
If it's that or no deal, I choose no deal, as would most leavers imo.

We can all pick our favourite Brexit soundbites, Col.

Would you take soft Brexit over no Brexit? Out of interest.

 

[rangercol]

We can all pick our favourite Brexit soundbites, Col.

You asked a question I gave you my answer.
That's my opinion of the situation.

 

[Star of David Bardsley]

You asked a question I gave you my answer.
That's my opinion of the situation.

Good. Appreciate it.

 

[Turkish" Premier" Hoops]

No one gets to choose a no deal that surely at last has got through after two years or so?

No one hopefully will ever see or feel the impacts of a no deal ... you will see a exodus of investment and business like nothing before

The price of all of this is already massive but that’s just the tip of the iceberg

So you keep harping on about, show proof, show us how many firms you have so far allegedly aided to depart these shores, and how is the price massive ?
Sterling against dollar and euro on the rise, productivity up, un employment down, lowest youth unemployment on record and way below France, Germany and let’s not mention Greece, Italy Spain etc.
The majority of the remaining big countries, the big contributors on the verge of recession, the EU fear a no deal Brexit, it could possibly be the downfall of the corrupt EU
You accuse us of being blue sheep, idiots etc, but all you do is repeat the mantra, scaremongering, regurgitating the same remainer crap.
Are you in fact a yellow starred sheeple ?

 

[kiwiqpr]

Hmmm
The Honda triumph you say