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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

    56 vote(s)
    47.9%
  2. Get out

    61 vote(s)
    52.1%
  1. Stroller

    Stroller Well-Known Member

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    Yes we have. Remind me which of the myriad forms of leaving we specifically chose again?
     
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  2. Stroller

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    More can kicking isn't it? If she's going to ask for the further extension, it's going to have to be with a new plan in mind. So she's asking Corbyn what it should be.
     
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    MPs debated the viral Revoke Article 50 petition yesterday, Chris Leslie insisted “we must fight for those who signed the petition”. Unfortunately for Leslie there’s no way of verifying exactly who “those who signed the petition” really are – as Guido revealed at the time thousands of signatures came from as far afield as Western Sahara and North Korea. As even the BBC reported over the second referendum petition back in 2016, it is all too easy for people to hijack petitions with simple programmes that submit fake signatures…
    A digital marketing agency in Manchester, Kent House, decided to run a little experiment to test how easy the petition was to manipulate. They found that with a basic code written in only three hours, £12 to set up a catch-all inbox and £10 for proxy servers to spoof IP addresses, they were able to successfully submit 72,000 fake signatures over just one weekend. Every ‘signature’ had a unique name, unique email address, a valid UK postcode, and was verified by email.
    These programmers weren’t even trying to distort the petition, they simply wanted to show how easily it could be done. If a Remainer with basic coding knowledge and a few quid actually wanted to manipulate the petition, this shows they could easily add on hundreds of thousands of fake ‘signatures’ in just a few days. Ultimately there’s only one number that counts, the number of votes on 23 June 2016…
     
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    Sooperhoop Well-Known Member

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    I bet DT has sent in a few thousand votes...
     
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    Not a type of Brexit called ‘remain’. A second referendum should, as you suggest, determine what type of Brexit the electorate want.

    I still don’t want one though.

    It will be fun seeing how flexible Corbyn is in the national interest. But pretty meaningless, neither he nor May have any real control over their MPs.
     
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    Corbyn should tell her that Labour will vote for her Withdrawal Agreement if she agrees to a permanent Customs Union and some form of Single Market access being written into the Political Declaration. This would have to be binding on her successor, though.

    It's hard to tell what she's up to with this. Probably just trying to get Corbyn to share some of the blame when we wind up with a No Deal exit.
     
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    That clearly isn't what she said is it?
     
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    Sooperhoop Well-Known Member

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    Too many members of each side playing politics, hard to see any of those concerned not using politics whatever the offers made. Nevermind, come General Election day these mealy-mouthed selfish c*nts will get their come-uppance...
     
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    kiwiqpr Barnsie Mod

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    how could she make it binding
    the next lot might change their mind
     
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    What did she say then? If she wants to meet Corbyn to agree a plan, he has an opportunity to dictate what the plan should be doesn't he? She has no plan.
     
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    They Withdrawal bill would have to be amended.
     
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    Nope no point plus I do not believe it can be corrupted because if the post code doesn’t validate correctly then it will not register
    As said it’s just a petition and pointless anyway

    At least now we get JC involved

    Hope the EU chuck us out now
    At least I don’t have to live with U.K. politics but sad for the outcome for the people
     
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    She said she wanted them to meet, to try to agree a way forward that all could agree on.
    I'd imagine she will make assurances about the future deal if he agrees to back her withdrawal agreement.
    She didn't say that he could dictate terms, but then you knew that.
    Anyway, he couldn't care less about brexit. All he cares about is finding a way to get into power, regardless of what's best for the Country.
     
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    Or letting the ERG look into the jaws of Corbyn's CU and SM before bringing her deal back for another vote.

    Question is whether the EU will back down on what they said about the need for the UK to participate in the May elections
     
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    Of course she didn't say that he could dictate terms, but if she has to ask him to help her that's the most likely outcome, wouldn't you say?

    What's best for the country? That's a laugh. If she'd considered what was best for the country instead of what's best for the Tory party, she'd have reached out to opposition parties two years ago when the country told her it wouldn't give her an overall majority. We'd have been out by now with the soft Brexit it looks like we're finally going to get anyway.
     
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    Yep, she's been useless, as have almost all of the idiots in parliament.
    She is indeed doing what she should have done from the outset and tried for a consensus.
    However, the ruling elite, especially those you hold in such high regard, Grieve and Letwing will still do everything they can to delay the process again and again.
     
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    If we're going to end up staying in the CU and SM, then I'd prefer no deal.
     
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    <laugh> Your spirit of compromise and doing what's best for the country didn't last long, did it?
     
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    May’s deal doesn’t include either of these, or at least not necessarily as they aren’t in the political declaration, but it is a deal. It has immigration control, freedom to negotiate trade with anyone who’s interested, possibility of a different kind of deal to anyone else with the EU, no ECJ oversight. We would of course have adopted all EU goods regulations as any third party trading with them has to do that, even the US.

    She really delivered for hard line Brexiters, in all except the Irish bit, which was a logical impossibility given her red lines you can’t have no border and no Customs Union at least. She’s not very bright and has been very poorly advised, but the ERG have ****ed it up for themselves. And the rest of us. Without their pig headedness your ‘ruling elite’ would have had no say.

    We need the Withdrawal Agreement done at least, otherwise we are in purgatory forever.
     
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    Thank heavens you are in a tiny minority
    You only voted to leave you are getting democracy are you not? We are set to leave
    Still think it’s all project fear?
    We may not have any choice anyway unless of course this is all part of the plan?

    I still believe it is
     
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