New Robin & Shirt

1897 was when we changed our name to Bristol City and joined the Southern League. The original club (Bristol South End) was formed in 1894. So both are semi-accurate.

 

Don't quote me here as I wasn't even born in 1982, but I was told by my dad (gashead so could be biased) that during those very hard financial times for City, apparently the Bristol City Council raised the taxes by, I think if my memory of what my dad said, by 1p per household which was done purely dedicated to support your club to help you survive that crisis. So in a way, Gasheads within the catchment area that falls under the Bristol City council and who were old enough to pay taxes, contributed towards your survival

Again, I am only going by what I was told. I have been told this by a few people in the past, again all were gasheads so could be false.

 

I have to say that the picture with the bridge in the background is by far the better option. Somehow it no longer looks like a 5 year olds creation. It actually looks like a decent badge

 

Totally makes sense

Reading your potted history in the link above that I added from your own site, going by the wordings from your site, 1894 was when the club was formed but 1897 was when it was made into a limited company, so surely 1894 should have been used all this time instead of 1897?

 

You are attempting to take the piss (badly). The badge highlights the lineage of the FC.

Here you go …Yes its a link to? Nothing really. It does not explain that Bristol City 1982 Ltd was a vehicle to ensure that lineage continued and that Deryn Coller and Ken Sage formed a new club in name only. It was a new company and not a new club (older than BRFC).

The reference to Bristol Rovers is relevant. The above lineage could not continue if BCFC was not resident at Ashton Gate.

 

No I am not. I am genuinely having a conversation here. Ask wiz or anyone here that I only have a laugh and banter on your last person to post thread, which is rare these days. I don't even do it on my own board. I use to have a laugh where ever the opportunity arose, which a lot of guys on here know from a long time ago. But these guys also know that I am not that person anymore. Unfortunately, as a result of my past behaviours and those who may include yourself that doesn't know me well on here, I have to include "im not taking the piss here" so such ones know that I am being up front and honest with my respectful and constructive opinions on non banter like threads.

I would hope long standing bbc606ers and not606ers would vouch for me here.

I understand what you are saying regarding the rest of your post. But I respectfully disagree. Its funny how your own site that shows your potted history has the date 1897 as when your club formed into a limited company and that's the date you always been founded by, until now on your new shirt which has 1894 which I feel should be the correct date as that's when you were actually formed. But when your club was formed into a new club with a new limited company in 1982, thats forgotten about. You cant have 1897 when a limited company was formed but then not have 1982 when a new club and limited company was formed. Its a bit hypocritical. But I understand why your club would do this. They don't want to have the dark days as a remembrance. However, to survive, they had to form a new club with a new limited company name, to avoid closure. Also its your own official site. Don't dismiss that. It's a site where anyone can go to look at such details of fact instead of fiction

Anyway, I am off now. I didn't want this type of debate. Some on here (who know me) hasn't took what I said the way you feel and I thank them for that.

 

You mentioned Bristol Sport being a franchise. It is not. Wind up.

The point I made about Coller and Sage was factual. You can also add Ivor Williams and Leslie Kew. These are the individuals who put forward the £50,000 to form the PLC to take over the football club. They also fended off the potential of others including a company called Osbourne Clarke taking over Bristol City's assets - Ashton Gate.

Those who formed B.C.F.C (1982) Ltd stated it was not a new club at all. It was still called Bristol City Football Club and its survival was what had driven them.

None of the above is fiction. That none of this included on the club site is of surprise at all. It has been fans who commemorated the role the Ashton Gate 8 had for instance. Mr Lansdown was not a fan in 1982. Bristol City for an extended have been particularly poor at acknowledging the past and it can be explained why very simply. They don't know the clubs history - They were not there.

 

Your original post I thought was really well balanced and made some very valid points, apart from the last bit that was factually incorrect, I genuinely thought you were having a bit of fun , my response was meant in a similar fashion, ie a bit of fun, whilst also pointing out your Errors.

Others on here have explained our history far better than I could, so I’ll leave it there.

Although I’m a fairly recent participant on here I’ve followed it as a observer since it’s inception and on BBC606 before , so I’m aware you are respectful but like a bit of fun.

My intention was to have a bit of fun, nothing else , I for enjoy a bit of a laugh as long as it’s respectfully done . Certainly no hard feelings as far as I’m concerned, , I hope this doesn’t stop you from posting.

 

Look, I take your word for it with all the history. I am just going by your own site and the fact that on all official club detail, you are known as Bristol City 1982 Ltd. But lets not go around in circles but leave it there. I didn't really want to turn it into an argument and ruin the thread. Apologies if its came across that way.

As for me saying Bristol Sport being a franchise, that's not me winding you or anyone up. I am not even using it as a negative towards your club. Lansdown has built up an empire of many different sports under the Bristol Sport umbrella. Sorry if the word franchise offends you but that's what I personally class the Bristol Sport umbrella, a franchise. I actually think its a good idea. A very good way to maximise profits getting pretty much every type of local sporting team in Bristol and bringing them all together. I do have some ill feelings towards Lansdown but what I nor any gashead cannot deny is that Lansdown has done brilliant things for Bristol. I can only have unicorn dreams about having half the guy Lansdown is in charge of my club.

 

Yeah I like a bit of fun but I have unfortunately grown up a bit Being a mod myself on my board and seeing the difficulties of dealing with people like myself (I mention no names cough cough wizered cough cough ) I understood what a pain I was on your board. I also know how hard wiz and the other City mods have worked to build up your board to be one of the busiest board on not606. So I fully respect them and that work so I now like to show that respect by keeping the banter away from non banter threads. I don't usually post much here anyway but I get invites now and then from some friends so I like to pop over now and then to show my face. I know you were only having a bit of fun but I didn't want to take the bait and turn it into a banter thread if you know what I mean. Me discussing 1982 isn't a dig or anything. I was just surprised to see your founded date go from 1897 to 1894 and that throughout my whole life I have been led to believe you were reformed in 1982 so I am of the opinion that you should be using that date really and when you see your own site saying formed into a new club, formed meaning founded, you can see my point. I guess though if you have known me for so long that you would have known me to use 1982 as bait for banter etc so I can see why some may think I am again up to my old tricks but honestly this time I was just making the point that the date is wrong. Its been pointed out why 1894 is being used and I've said in this thread that the 1894 date should have been used all along really
Definitely no hard feelings, Im use to you by now

 

If I could hug you now, I would. This emoji would have to do

But as I cant hug you, that saves me the need to have a shower

 

You’re very welcome CJS - maybe after a longer period of sampling the passion on here you may even see the light and consider defecting to the red side and join our rollercoaster ride?!!!!!!

 

It's not about being offended mate, but by definition Bristol Sport is not a franchise. I know what you're saying, but franchise is the wrong word to describe it.

Don't think you're taking the piss either

 

A little vomit just came up in my mouth

 

Bristol Rovers is much a franchise as Bristol City. BRFC are part of the same organisations - FA/FL. BRFC use that structure, its services, use its intellectual property, and profit from and make profits (directly/indirectly) for these organisations. That is not a franchise either.

Bristol Sport is an oddity but it is not a franchise. It has elements of various European sporting models - Separate companies running the commercial activities of its sporting members.

Calling Bristol City - Bristol Sport a franchise does not offend me. Its a bit dull to do so, an error. Football fans do similar frequently ..

 

At least you understand me

 

What BCFCRob said above your post is fair enough. At least he understood what I meant. Just the wrong word used I guess. Clearly it has upset you though. You think I am on some sort of wind up mission (which I am not and other have pointed this out too) and now you have resulted to accusing me of calling Bristol City as Bristol Sport. I don't think I actually did that. Then to insult me about it shows a little lack of class and integrity. Not sure what your problem is with me to be honest. People are allowed different opinions than yourself. Show some respect and some decorum

 

I have shown you some courtesy - If I had not I would have said you are posting bollocks, **** … But I have not. Just a mild you are taking the piss (badly). And that was it.

It does not upset me. Bristol City has to be associated to Bristol Sport. Its inescapable. The logo is on shirts, the stadium, fans and they run elements of what was BCFC. The context Bristol City is a franchise = I pointed out an error there (and elsewhere). Bristol Sport is not franchise.

The 1p thing is wrong as well.

I will end with … Bristol City after an appeal from Alan Williams (fans group) did get contributions from local clubs in 1982 amounting to around £4000, but not the mean spirited BRFC who instead tried to blag the Ashton Gate bed from beneath Bristol City … Naughty Gas.

 

Here we go again. More insults. And that wasn't just it was it. You also put.... "Calling Bristol City - Bristol Sport does not offend me. Its a bit thick to do so." But you have since edited that line but not before I seen it. Clearly the insults and tone to your replies show that you are upset and offended. Otherwise you are just a pretty angry person in general and in need of a hug.

Anyway, I am done here. Good day to you