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It is poo poo in comparison to staying in the EU which is where a Country of the UK's size and influence should be, and at least a part of leading it as I just read Dave wrote.
So, we seem to have worked out how to soften our poo poo.
(I write this stuff and even I’m laughing... or perhaps I’m the only one)
Very doubtful, the Cabinet have been told to abstain tonight apparently. Its 1st April so not sure it is true, but media are reporting that both Labour and the SNP are supporting Common Market 2, the Norway option, in the votes tonight.
Won't it just be perfect timing that the nest of arseholes, sorry, Parliament, votes to sell 17.4 million down the river on April Fools Day, you really couldn't make it up...
Quit your weeping – Dominic Grieve deserves to be de-selected
Guess what, MPs: if you defy the democratic will, the demos will punish you.
Brendan O'Neill
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31st March 2019
How mad is the response to the vote of no confidence in Tory MP and former attorney general Dominic Grieve? Reading the tortured tweets and pained cries of the political and media sets you would be forgiven for thinking Grieve had been found tarred and feathered and surrounded by a feral screeching mob. ‘What has become of Britain!?’, they ask. ‘How can something like his happen!?’, they weep. To which the only reasonable reply – because some of us do still inhabit the realm of reason – is: ‘Because we live in a democracy. And in a democracy MPs can be de-selected. Calm the hell down.’
The Grieve weep-fest has been genuinely disturbing. No sooner had it been announced that Grieve, a hardcore Remainer, had lost a vote of confidence in his constituency of Beaconsfield by 182 to 131 votes than the chattering classes were taking to the web to bemoan the descent of Britain into 1930s-style insanity. ‘Intolerance’, decreed Labour’s shadow Brexit secretary Keir Starmer. ‘The sad demise of politics’, he said. Former Guardian editor Alan Rusbridger said Grieve’s troubles – he now faces actual de-selection – show how ‘dangerous’ politics has become. Ex-Tory MP Anna Soubry said the Grieve vote is proof of the rise of a ‘dogmatic right’. It’s ‘disgraceful’, she said. To Soubry everything’s disgraceful, except the attempt by politicians to overturn the largest act of democracy in UK history, which is absolutely fine.
Much was made of alleged ‘UKIP infiltration’ of the Beaconsfield Conservative association. These claims were a boon to the Grieve grievers because it meant they could then use their favourite f-word – fascism. That the man who stirred up much of the local opposition to Grieve was once a member of UKIP – but was then accepted as a member of the Conservative Party in large part due to his regional work with Vote Leave – was held up as evidence of a ‘fascist’ takeover of the Beaconsfield Tories. Nonsense. Anyone who watches the video of the Beaconsfield meeting at which Grieve lost locals’ confidence, which The Sunday Times has acquired, will see everyday members of a party expressing genuine anger towards who they consider to be their failing, untrustworthy MP. To the horror of the chattering classes, people in the video can be heard calling Grieve a ‘liar’ and a ‘traitor’, primarily because he has worked so hard to overturn Brexit. It is testament to politicians’ astonishing aloofness, their growing disconnection from the public mood, that they would be alarmed by cries of liar and traitor. I’ve heard people say far worse about the Brexit-betraying political set. The establishment has absolutely no idea how much anger there is in the country.
This is where we get to the heart of the ridiculous, infantile meltdown over the local vote against Grieve. It tells us so much about where British politics is at. On one side we have local party members expressing anger at an MP for defying the massive national vote to leave the EU, and on the other we have an establishment utterly closing ranks on the side of that MP, and writing off the opposition against him as intolerant, crankish, even fascistic. This is the irony of the Grieve craziness: the London elite’s rush to defend Grieve from what they clearly view as the rough and ugly sentiments of people ‘out there’ is precisely the kind of thing that is making people feel furious about politics right now. It speaks to the growing elitism of the political class and to its contempt for ordinary people. The Grieve weepers seem to think MPs have divine rights. They don’t. They have borrowed rights – borrowed from us, the people – and if we feel they are abusing those rights that we give them then we ought to be perfectly at liberty to take them away again. There’s a word for this: democracy.
Nobody wants to say it, but here’s the truth: Grieve has abused his rights as an MP. He has said one thing and done another. He has let down local party members and the nation more broadly. Scrape away all the nonsense about him being one of the most honest and decent parliamentarians of our era and what you will actually see is an MP who in 2017 said ‘the decision of the electorate in the referendum must be respected’ and yet who last week voted to revoke Article 50 and halt the Brexit process entirely. If that’s a principled politician, then the establishment and the rest of us clearly have very different definitions of the word ‘principled’.
MPs from across the political spectrum are closing ranks behind Grieve for one simple reason: they know that they, too, are acting to undermine the largest act of democracy in the history of this nation, and they fear that they might be similarly punished by ‘the rabble’ for having done so. They see Grieve’s troubles as a taste of what is to come for the rest of them and they are thinking, ‘Oh ****’. The rest of us are thinking: ‘Oh good. About time.
Guess what, MPs: if you defy the democratic will, the demos will punish you.
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Brendan O'Neill
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31st March 2019
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How mad is the response to the vote of no confidence in Tory MP and former attorney general Dominic Grieve? Reading the tortured tweets and pained cries of the political and media sets you would be forgiven for thinking Grieve had been found tarred and feathered and surrounded by a feral screeching mob. ‘What has become of Britain!?’, they ask. ‘How can something like his happen!?’, they weep. To which the only reasonable reply – because some of us do still inhabit the realm of reason – is: ‘Because we live in a democracy. And in a democracy MPs can be de-selected. Calm the hell down.’
The Grieve weep-fest has been genuinely disturbing. No sooner had it been announced that Grieve, a hardcore Remainer, had lost a vote of confidence in his constituency of Beaconsfield by 182 to 131 votes than the chattering classes were taking to the web to bemoan the descent of Britain into 1930s-style insanity. ‘Intolerance’, decreed Labour’s shadow Brexit secretary Keir Starmer. ‘The sad demise of politics’, he said. Former Guardian editor Alan Rusbridger said Grieve’s troubles – he now faces actual de-selection – show how ‘dangerous’ politics has become. Ex-Tory MP Anna Soubry said the Grieve vote is proof of the rise of a ‘dogmatic right’. It’s ‘disgraceful’, she said. To Soubry everything’s disgraceful, except the attempt by politicians to overturn the largest act of democracy in UK history, which is absolutely fine.
Much was made of alleged ‘UKIP infiltration’ of the Beaconsfield Conservative association. These claims were a boon to the Grieve grievers because it meant they could then use their favourite f-word – fascism. That the man who stirred up much of the local opposition to Grieve was once a member of UKIP – but was then accepted as a member of the Conservative Party in large part due to his regional work with Vote Leave – was held up as evidence of a ‘fascist’ takeover of the Beaconsfield Tories. Nonsense. Anyone who watches the video of the Beaconsfield meeting at which Grieve lost locals’ confidence, which The Sunday Times has acquired, will see everyday members of a party expressing genuine anger towards who they consider to be their failing, untrustworthy MP. To the horror of the chattering classes, people in the video can be heard calling Grieve a ‘liar’ and a ‘traitor’, primarily because he has worked so hard to overturn Brexit. It is testament to politicians’ astonishing aloofness, their growing disconnection from the public mood, that they would be alarmed by cries of liar and traitor. I’ve heard people say far worse about the Brexit-betraying political set. The establishment has absolutely no idea how much anger there is in the country.
This is where we get to the heart of the ridiculous, infantile meltdown over the local vote against Grieve. It tells us so much about where British politics is at. On one side we have local party members expressing anger at an MP for defying the massive national vote to leave the EU, and on the other we have an establishment utterly closing ranks on the side of that MP, and writing off the opposition against him as intolerant, crankish, even fascistic. This is the irony of the Grieve craziness: the London elite’s rush to defend Grieve from what they clearly view as the rough and ugly sentiments of people ‘out there’ is precisely the kind of thing that is making people feel furious about politics right now. It speaks to the growing elitism of the political class and to its contempt for ordinary people. The Grieve weepers seem to think MPs have divine rights. They don’t. They have borrowed rights – borrowed from us, the people – and if we feel they are abusing those rights that we give them then we ought to be perfectly at liberty to take them away again. There’s a word for this: democracy.
Nobody wants to say it, but here’s the truth: Grieve has abused his rights as an MP. He has said one thing and done another. He has let down local party members and the nation more broadly. Scrape away all the nonsense about him being one of the most honest and decent parliamentarians of our era and what you will actually see is an MP who in 2017 said ‘the decision of the electorate in the referendum must be respected’ and yet who last week voted to revoke Article 50 and halt the Brexit process entirely. If that’s a principled politician, then the establishment and the rest of us clearly have very different definitions of the word ‘principled’.
MPs from across the political spectrum are closing ranks behind Grieve for one simple reason: they know that they, too, are acting to undermine the largest act of democracy in the history of this nation, and they fear that they might be similarly punished by ‘the rabble’ for having done so. They see Grieve’s troubles as a taste of what is to come for the rest of them and they are thinking, ‘Oh ****’. The rest of us are thinking: ‘Oh good. About time.
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Dominic Grieve is one of the most intelligent, principled, honest and courageous politicians I have met. What is happening to Britain...
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He has a beautiful face, impeccable manners, clear and lucid diction, his hair is like soft spun gold and his eyes: deep pools of tranquility. I can't think of why anyone would wish to deselect the lying ****.
Dominic Grieve is one of the most intelligent, principled, honest and courageous politicians I have met. What is happening to Britain...
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He has a beautiful face, impeccable manners, clear and lucid diction, his hair is like soft spun gold and his eyes: deep pools of tranquility. I can't think of why anyone would wish to deselect the lying ****.
April Fool's jokes banned amid fear of panic buying over Brexit
Government white paper: with reports of potential shortages of toilet tissue and other essentials, Cabinet officials asked media outlets to refrain from publishing traditional spoof stories on April 1 Credit: Getty Images
British April Fool's jokes have been banned this year under an archaic parliamentary order, amid warnings the public can no longer tell the difference between reality and farce.
The statute from 1653 states that the issuing of false reports is strictly prohibited and punishable by the splitting of an offender’s ribs.
Officials in the Cabinet Office have taken the unusual step of asking media outlets to refrain from publishing the traditional stories on April 1 in case they trigger panic buying or spark riots.
The original statute was imposed by Oliver Cromwell when he became convinced that the public's mocking of his warts was undermining attempts to crush royalists after the civil war.
The measure was technically never revoked or overtaken in the statute books, and has now been revived by Cabinet Office Minister Lord Japes under a statutory instrument of the EU Withdrawal Act, the emergency legislation that underpins EU exit.
It comes after reports that in a no-deal scenario Britons could run short of toilet paper, will be stopped from taking their pets on holiday, or buy bottled drinking water in shops.
In a statement last night, the Cabinet Office warned that April Fool's pranks were now seen as a serious threat to the Government's attempts to maintain calm amid the Brexit crisis.
April 1 was due to be the first full business day in Britain following a scheduled Brexit on March 29.
Ali Ploorf, a spokesman for the Cabinet Office, said: “The whole country is on a Code Red for April 1. No one knows what’s real and what’s a joke any more.
“Imagine if some joker goes around a Waitrose in Dover shouting ‘There’s no milk! There’s no avocado!’ It will be pandemonium. So from now on any tomfoolery like this is banned.
“Our message to the public is this: if you hear a spine-tingling warning on the radio about Brexit and leaving without a deal, it’s not a joke - it’s Government policy.”
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Government white paper: with reports of potential shortages of toilet tissue and other essentials, Cabinet officials asked media outlets to refrain from publishing traditional spoof stories on April 1 Credit: Getty Images
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British April Fool's jokes have been banned this year under an archaic parliamentary order, amid warnings the public can no longer tell the difference between reality and farce.
The statute from 1653 states that the issuing of false reports is strictly prohibited and punishable by the splitting of an offender’s ribs.
Officials in the Cabinet Office have taken the unusual step of asking media outlets to refrain from publishing the traditional stories on April 1 in case they trigger panic buying or spark riots.
The original statute was imposed by Oliver Cromwell when he became convinced that the public's mocking of his warts was undermining attempts to crush royalists after the civil war.
The measure was technically never revoked or overtaken in the statute books, and has now been revived by Cabinet Office Minister Lord Japes under a statutory instrument of the EU Withdrawal Act, the emergency legislation that underpins EU exit.
It comes after reports that in a no-deal scenario Britons could run short of toilet paper, will be stopped from taking their pets on holiday, or buy bottled drinking water in shops.
In a statement last night, the Cabinet Office warned that April Fool's pranks were now seen as a serious threat to the Government's attempts to maintain calm amid the Brexit crisis.
April 1 was due to be the first full business day in Britain following a scheduled Brexit on March 29.
Ali Ploorf, a spokesman for the Cabinet Office, said: “The whole country is on a Code Red for April 1. No one knows what’s real and what’s a joke any more.
“Imagine if some joker goes around a Waitrose in Dover shouting ‘There’s no milk! There’s no avocado!’ It will be pandemonium. So from now on any tomfoolery like this is banned.
“Our message to the public is this: if you hear a spine-tingling warning on the radio about Brexit and leaving without a deal, it’s not a joke - it’s Government policy.”
Nigel Farage could be added to the list Col?
In fact the entire idiots of UKIP also ?
The entire Conservative Party ? and a few from Labour ?
Need new politics I say again
Clear the lobbies
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We seem to slate European Union leader for having too much cheese and wine meanwhile at home in the centre of financial affairs we have hundreds of greedy bastards starting with Moggy
I say again 17.4m people did not vote to leave without a deal so get real lads?
Come on Norway 2.0 Brexiteers get to leave so job done
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