Off Topic UK / EU Future

You have been trying to flog them for weeks. Having problems to get anyone to buy them?

 

This has been the real disgrace about Brexit. The Government and Parliament has focussed solely on that for the last three years at the expense of every other issue currently facing the country. Of course responsibility lies mainly with the Government but other parties have culpability too. Quite frankly it's truly shameful.

 

Try telling that to the people of Northants who have seen what Tory service providing really means.

 

I am afraid you are completely wrong. You clealry care not one Iota for the needy, the sick etc. Try working in any service... and you will find out the reality. The only reason your party have got away with it for so long is that they also own the media.

It is truly shameful that in this day and age in one of the richest countries of the world that this allowed to happen.....

 

Agreed... a smokescreen too for some really questionable legislation...

 

The other reason is our voting system Yorkie. The fact is that the only thing you have to do is regularly keep 36-38% of the population happy and rely on the opposition parties being divided. There are more left of centre parties in the UK, and therein lies the problem. The Tories have never been worried about votes in places like Barnsley or Liverpool - their only goal at an election is the 30 or so swing seats such as Watford and Ipswich, and they channel all their resources into those - and that is enough. The average voter in the home counties is only concerned about homelessness, or drug addiction, or poverty if he trips over it in the streets - and even then he can easily convince himself that the recipient carries the responsibility on his own shoulders. The problem is that there is little 'community' left in England very little feeling that the whole of society bears the responsibility for the necessity of such things as food banks.

 

Yes well put..... and Cameron's 'Big Society' was a ruse....

 

Dan , the tories have been systematically undermining / privatising the welfare state for years , brexit would just accelerate that process with a right wing govt at the helm .
It’s disingenuous to say all have culpability when since 2017 the agreement by bribing the far right in northern ireland has enabled them to pass horrendous legislation that continues to demonise the poor, old , disabled , the sick and those who are not wealthy .
It’s a shocking state of affairs and we are at a crossroads of where it goes next , i’m sure the majority of the country don’t want this but have been hoodwinked into blaming eu for what is essential a tory mess .
English nationalism has been used to mask the underlying problems of inequality and low pay .
We need a progressive left movement to render this twisted experiment into the place it belongs , the bin of history

 

The problem you have is the public sensibly do not not like the idea of a Momentum dominated Labour Party running our country. Any opposition party worth it's salt would now be 20 points ahead in the polls.

 

Don't tell Brandon Lewis but they ended up in the bin weeks ago.

 

yawn , remember matron may was 20 ahead when she called an election, lost it all over seven weeks , meaningless things in many ways

 

This was just after May won a huge victory in local elections. Labour have been behind in 20 of the last 21 opinion polls since 1st Feb. There appears to be very little support for Labour whilst the Marxist twins are in charge.

 

if you’re right why don’t the tories go to the electors and get the majority they need ?
like them , you’re full of balloon gas

 

We currently have a fixed term parliament so strictly no need. I suspect senior Tories would like May to be replaced before an election. Hopefully Momentum remain in charge of the Labour Party, this will keep support from moderate Labour supporters to the minimum. Will Labour be split into two before the next election?

 

The Electoral Commission have said that the official Vote Leave campaign broke the law by channelling hundreds of thousands of pounds through BeLeave a separate group. The Vote Leave was fronted by Michael Gove and Boris Johnson, with Liam Fox, Iain Duncan Smith, Dominic Raab and Priti Patel sitting on the committee. They said they would appeal the findings and the fine, but now rather than have it hanging around while there is a party leadership contest possible, they have dropped the appeal, and refuse to comment. The Commission has handed their files over to the police, so maybe it will become a criminal matter yet.

 

I doubt that , not in time anyway , these oily reptillians think they are above the law, and in many ways their wealth and connections help ensure that , particularly in this type of procedural law breaking ....... these are the people who make the laws for us plebs to abide by

 

Today we have seen the Tory party chairman trying to distance the party from UKIP which is clearly infiltrating them. The UKIP leader Gerard Batten is being advised by Tommy Robinson the EDL founder and leader, and that party has moved so far to the right that even Farage has tried to put clear blue water between himself and his old party. If one of our mainstream parties is worried, then we should be, but especially Tory party members who may not realise what is happening.

 

Grieve's claim his local party branch has been infiltrated by UKIP has been rubbished by the local activists who yesterday gave him a vote of no confidence. The remain extremist has clearly lost the support of many of his constituents by his wrecking actions. Most of the support for UKIP originally came from traditional Tory voters who have now returned to vote Conservative once the referendum was successfully secured. UKIP has now shrunk to LibDem levels of support.

 

Latest poll give Labour a 5 point lead, bang goes the chance of an election.