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Discussion in 'Tottenham Hotspur' started by Wandering Yid, Feb 9, 2016.

  1. Spudulike

    Spudulike Well-Known Member

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    Do you know? There's a little drop of water called the Atlantic Ocean separating GB from the USA. How is it 2 loonies are running these countries?
     
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    We should be leaving but aren't because politicians who campaigned to remain broke their promises by...no, **** it, my head hurts trying to comprehend such a logic vacuum
    Bavaria might be a bit problematic for people who appear to believe all of human history is encapsulated in the years 1914-18 and 1939-45, even with the advantages of quadrupling the number of World Cup wins, having a car industry, and being in a position to suggest having Rammstein represent us at Eurovision

    Hmm...how about a Danish province? They have beer and bacon, plus they already founded a crapton of our towns and cities
     
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    It's quite simple really. It shows politicians are full of ****.
     
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    If anything they're saying the exact opposition: politicians who campaigned to Remain (no matter which fraction of their backsides they used while campaigning) have kept us in the EU beyond March 29th...true they managed it mainly by accident, but that reflects more on those who were adamant the UK would be leaving on March 29th and failed to deliver on what they'd been promising ever since the referendum result - people such as Johnson and Rees-Mogg, both of whom switched their votes for the third meaningful vote to support the deal, but of course Change Britain aren't going to attack those who actually broke promises, because those happen to be the people their followers have been praising for the past three years
     
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    Dominic Grieve got his peoples vote, his parliamentary constituency have voted to deselect him. Sometimes one needs to be careful of what one wishes for.
     
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    I bet this chap gets longer in prison than someone caught carrying a knife. He's a fekwit and deserves a short sharp shock, but young kids who carry knives and are prepared to use then need a little longer to give them time to contemplate their actions.
     
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    Don't suppose he'll try and claim he shouldn't face one due to being pregnant before saying the only reason he's facing a no confidence vote is due to antisemitism within the party?

    Well it worked once...
     
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    There's one thing about Grieve's deselection vote that doesn't sit right with me, namely...

    It's hardly comparable to Vauxhall voting to deselect Kate Hoey after she claimed she's support her constituency's Remain vote before doing the exact opposite while hanging around with that well-known Labour figure Nigel Farage - although it would not surprise me if that, just like Nick Boles quitting the party before facing a vote (and Arron Banks' mob gleefully saying it was because of their efforts) it's another example of UKIP entryism into local Conservative parties in order to target Remain-supporting MPs such as Grieve and Boles

    Something tells me we won't be hearing this version of the facts from Emily Maitlis anytime soon...
     
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    He is actually a very good MP, far better than most in the Tory Party. However, despite his constituency voting remain, he has been deselected because he called for a peoples vote to try to break the deadlock. I think others will probably heed the warning and fall in behind the PM. Her MV4 actually stands a chance next time around if Bercow allows it. Nevertheless, many other 'wets' will feel the wrath of their local associations before the next election, which may be very soon and the Tory group in the new parliament will be much further to the right.
     
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    It's interesting that, among numerous MPs on both sides of the aisle chiming in, we've got this from Gideon on top of it

    And, yes, a little digging has revealed the person leading the charge to have him deselected stood against him in the last election - as a UKIP candidate
     
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    CCHQ are unlikely to do anything about it until after MV4, self preservation is normally far more important to politicians than their beliefs. Dominic Grieve is a rare exception.
     
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    <laugh> He's behind you!
     
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    And so he should, but only if he defaults on the fine that should cover the cost of emergency services and losses incurred by the travelling public.
    Yesterday's violence at HoC was inspired by speeches of Robinson and Farage and Aaron Banks has been advocating civil disturbance on Twitter this morning.
    Strong intervention is required.
     
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    A lot of people who voted leave, including myself, are disappointed that the rally was hi-jacked by extremists. However, this should serve as a warning to the EU that if they continue with their current course they are sailing straight into an iceberg of populist politics right across Europe. My concern is that with the internet and other easy forms of communication, these Nationalist groups will eventually join together and as Nazis did in Germany in the 30's, take control using violence as there means to an end. Unfortunately, I think the EU will eventually eat itself, and WW3 may be a lot closer than most of us can imagine. Certainly we should expect acts of civil disobedience to become widespread in Europe, not just in France.
     
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    Giving in to these extremists will only encourage them. It always does.
    There's no separation between these supposed nationalists at the moment, either:
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    All working together. All funded by Putin.
     
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    They may or may not be funded by Putin. However, these are small fry, insignificant little sh!ts.

    We spend too long being short termist, self indulgent i.e. worrying about our own economy and not looking at the bigger picture.

    The issue is not with tossers like shown above, it is a fundamental problem with the EU, which is exasperated by the existence of the Euro. The Euro can only work in the long term as either the currency of a single exchequer, i.e Federal State of Europe or as a tandem currency, i.e. each country have their own currency which floats against the Euro, with all salaries paid in local currency. Both local currency and Euro's being legal tender in all countries.

    As RDGD has been pointing out on here, the Euro Zone have a big F-Off hole in their budget, about 6 Billion. If the UK leaves with a No Deal then that rises to about 13 Billion. As the EU goes into recession, that is likely to rise sharply. Now France and Germany and the UK (if we remain), are likely to have to find money to cover some of that, but we won't find all. What will happen is that countries who are currently net beneficiaries will have to become net contributors. Services will suffer, along with employment as recession hits and this will become a breeding ground for the right wing. It's already started FFS.

    The next thing will be another Greek (or any other country) financial crises. However, with the onset of the forthcoming major recession, it won't be one country, it may be 5 or 6. Then all hell breaks lose. The Euro collapses, people realise what a bunch of kunts the EU politicians are (they are no different from ours, trust me on that) , enter the populists. When people are starving and someone shows them the likes of Neil and Glynis Kinnock on their +or - £100,000 a year pensions, Farage on his £76k pension (if he doesn't get re-elected) people will realise what a sh1t show has been going on and there will be blood on the streets.
     
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    It's lost me. What was the percentage of getting out or staying in the EU. 75%-25% to get out?
     
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    So if England leaves and Scotland stay in (?), will Scotland have to change to Euros? Could they afford it?
     
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