Try reading the responses above including the link. We don't know the full story and you know even less. You continuing with an argument with no basis makes you a WUM in my book.
In two weeks time, you will be ordered to pay Nantes the transfer money, and any good will that had been floating around will have finally evaporated. You milked the sympathy & tried ducking the fee, and that my friends is immoral. God knows what his family thinks now?
So, have you finally got to grips with who was working for whom? I see you've stopped trying to say The McKays were working for Cardiff and Cardiff booked the flight. You've obviously completed your first nights revision. Below is your 2nd nights revision. Have you read the article I linked for you on why Cardiff are yet to pay the fee? Once you understand that, you will realise that it isn't immoral, it is commercially prudent. Paying up immediately accepts liability for 'delivery of the goods'. If the arrangers of the transport are shown to be liable / negligent and we have accepted liability our insurance could be invalidated and we're £15M in the hole. Allowing it to be proved that the McKays (who were working for Nantes don't you know - that's Mark not Jack - the latter is a footballer, not an agent) arranged the trip and were negligent clears Cardiff to pay the fee and claim on their insurance. Nantes get their money, Bordeaux get their money and we claim on the insurance. It is very complicated, unprecedented even, and any fee will be honoured as appropriate. Cardiff have been very clear and above board on that from the off. Think about it. If we don't pay, we break even. If we pay and claim on the insurance, we break even. Nothing in it for us either way, as long as the insurance pays up. We need to get to the point where the insurers accept we aren't negligent and pay the bill. Read the link, its explained there far better than I can. But as I said before, why let the facts get in the way of your wumming. I'll test you on it tomorrow. Don't be late.
I think the immorality is in the fact that someone clearly devoid of original material, is prepared to take advantage of the tragic loss of a young life to try and wind up supporters of a football club. "Milked the sympathy"??? It's obviously an alien concept for you, but what you saw was genuine shock and mourning for the loss of this young life. As for the family, I can't understand anyone who would sink that low to introduce them into his/her malevolent nonsense. Hopefully, as you progress through school, you'll develop less rancorous ways to have a bit of banter with other human beings, but I'm not hopeful. This is the first and last response you'll get from me as I learned years ago not to argue with idiots.
Clingo is spot on. First paragraph in his post says it all. The pr!ck even has the cheek to talk about morals.
This is a hard one and not black and white, it could be easy to judge before the full story is known. I will keep my thoughts until I have a more informed answers about the ins and outs of the transfer and whose insurance, if any, is liable. One thing for sure is that no one involved will come out sparkly clean. I understand that fans of other clubs will want to put their own two penny worth in, it's only human nature however is might be more apt to hold on until the full truth is known.
A further complication comes to light. Pilot wasn't licenced to fly at night. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-47749265
The whole thing is tragic . Apparently Sala was due to fly @ 09:00 , but wanted to spend the day saying goodbye to his Nantes team mate . So the plane left @. 19:00......
The last bit further complicates the 'was it or wasn't' it a commercial flight debate as ibbotsen wasn't licenced for commercial flying either. If it's cost sharing, the pilot determines the time of the flight. Looks to have been a raft of rules broken. A commercial flight at night would invalidate the planes insurance. Messy. A lot of people will get dragged into this.
I just hope that the investigations serve the needs of the family. Anything else is insignificant by comparison. I also hope there is no further speculative, recriminatory behaviour.
there's a whole ball of string to unravel before the true facts surface and culpability assigned. McKay, the plane owners, Henderson and Ibbotson. The decision of Sala not to take the commercial flight is shown to be bad, but to delay the flight has been shown to have been the worse he ever made. Its not going to change what happened, but shows why Cardiff want the facts before making payment.
So, have you finally got to grips with who was working for whom? ___________________ Yep, seemed obvious from the get go. Wiilie McKay is a dodgy agent, who does not have the relevant qualifications, so he lets his son Mark front the business, while both making money from the same deals. They brokered the deal along with other agents, working on behalf of Nantes & Cardiff. Now, what helped oil the cogs from where I'm sitting is CCFC employee Jack McKay. Inside contact, and deal smoother who helped arranged the fateful transfer of the unfortunate Sala. He stuck him on a crappy plane, with a colour blind pilot who wasn't permitted to carry passengers on a plane (especially at night) that was not allowed to be used commercially (please stop me anytime if I'm misinformed) in the coldest month of the year, flying over the English channel after three aborted take offs. Then, Jack is shipped out like some piece of unwanted incriminating evidence. And even after that, we conform to the multitude of one minute silences, which for me should only have been carried out in France. I feel sorry for his family, and for his team mates. Don't try telling me CCFC are his team mates when your doing everything to avoid paying the fee. It's immoral.
You might want to spin it that way if you wish. And that is your opinion, not fact. However, at least you've come to terms with the actual facts. Well done.
I think the AAIB are now saying they probably can't complete a report until 2020. Not much solace for the family I'm afraid.
HR...we've tried! We've really tried! But you're an arsehole and will never grow up...so just **** off and don't come back.
Well said FFB. The only thing being repeated here is History Repeating repeating himself. Cue Libby joining in. I wonder has anyone else considered the following. The pilot appears to have done so many wrong things on so many levels. His body has not been found. It happened in a big bit of water but not the Atlantic, Pacific, Indian Oceans or China Sea. Is there any way he could have got out, survived and is now in hiding? A long shot I know but is it possible? Any thoughts?
