It's simple. The single market includes the 28 members plus countries who are part of eea like Iceland and Norway etc. The entry rules are the free movement of goods, capital, services, and labour The basic ability to move goods and services is common regulation. Moving money requires similar Allowing movement of people is issues of rights and benefits etc etc. So the whole point of brexit imo is the UK Brexiteers want deregulation, changed workers rights, (lesser) movement of only required and desired workers on a points system. We apparently was Brazilian angeldusted beef, chlorine washed chicken from USA, less worker rights and the ability to bring in certain workers on visas then get rid. In short feed the masses cheap food and beer, become a global low tax deregulated service hub
Ah I think I see. So the condition the EU would put on a custom union is that if we were to trade openly elsewhere, even on other tariffs etc, we would still need to abide by certain rules e.g. health and safety etc?
Yes but it would be the customs union. There is the eea. Tories are on record this is the devil... aka 4 freedoms. Iceland Norway for example. There is the efta, aka add Switzerland to eea. So what you are saying is A customs union not THE customs u ion which we saw Tories dance around for 18 months While you might not be absolutely bound by eu court (tories want it gone) and not absolutely have to apply all regulations the reality is the 5cou tires have yo apply eu regulation. Thus if you actually say customs union to eu you are in effect saying eea.as I said if you suggest a union the eu say 4 freedoms If we are not then it's not union but a free trade agreement.
Well if you are in the customs union you have to apply the rules pertaining to the customs union but i'm fairly sure that free movement for example is not one of those rules. Problem is most countries are in multiple arrangements with EU while under that plan we would be in just the CU.
If you look at Norway and iceland they are eea members and in effect pay for market access and align with eu regulations. Switzerland are slightly looser but Still have same requirements. Then the eu do various free trade deals. Boris Johnson brought up Canada for example. 98% of tariffs between eu and Canada were removed. The eu asked Canada to do several things such as sign up to regulations and courts that arbitrate on these. Interestingly certain eu states like Romania blocked ceta as Canada had visas for Romanians but not say French ****er... and the Canadians had to commit to remove the requirement. So Boris can kid us with Canada all he likes there are implications there too. And as you move further out the more tariffs and issues arise.
Yeh I get that and also read what you posted about A customs union rather than THE customs union. I think you just need the beginning framework for A customs union, I don't think it needs to be all sorted immediately or even within 2 years. The outside trade deals will throw up stuff which we deal with, with the EU as they come up. Iirc Norway took 12 years? The main thing is the decision on the CU itself.
The eea requires free movement however as it is a lesser status there is different rights. If you move to UK from Norway today you can work. You can come for 3 month but to stay then you must be working, you can bring your family... and vice versa. You can't go on UK dole but can bring Norway dole or whatever they have here if needed. If you are here for 5 years you are then entitled to permanent residence status. You have full eu membership (the gold card) then eea status (silver) then efta ( eea for switzerland) then free trade agreement where eu tell you things to do. Today we have A) get out of Euro currency. B) vetoes C) not in shengin of however its spelled If we end up out but in eea we lose b but would prob have to accept c. We pay probably 90% of what we already pay into eu for access. If we end up out and end up on a free trade we will have to align on regulations to remove tariffs But now the crux comes. The backstop. What we have in effect if the issue of the good Friday agreement and keeping a border open to contend with and this is a binding international treaty. The rub is to keep this border open regulations need to be fully aligned on things it seems Tory Brexiteers don't want to align on ( they seem to want to feed us slop) So the good Friday agreement drives backstop and back stop drives eea type status not a looser arrangement and so imo sea = 4 freedoms. And now this is why erg and dup vote no.
Yes. There's no way it'll be2 years, this is why I say post mays deal we become a zombie state as we have no say where we go... until deal is done and ratified All you need is a Tory to say we will take frogs but not romas and tgen romania will block deal until we come round
So what then? This is where it becomes a blur for me. Hardline Tory PM uses it as an excuse to renege on CU? EU fine us or take us to international court? We come round?
it's a circle that can't be squared the reality is the worst possible case the wto level tariffs. that's no deal disaster zone. massive tariffs.on goods and services.on 50% of our total market and worse still all the trade deals we enjoy globally vanish too. Ok leave but leave on terms that allow same trade in the interim.. except the hardliners will never accept any reasonable terms as they want all the benefits with zero regulations.
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Freedom of movement is such a massive loss to this country. The brexiteers will get their way though and block all the black people coming from that European black majority country we are all terrified of...
