Theresa May is facing a huge dilemma over whether to take a massive gamble on staging a third Commons vote on her Brexit deal. After her personal sacrifice of a dramatic offer to quit persuaded some rebel Tory MPs to back her deal, she was dealt a crushing blow by Democratic Unionists. DUP leader Arlene Foster stunned the Tory high command by declaring in a Sky News interview that the deal "posed an unacceptable risk to the integrity of the UK".
So mps can keep trying to pass the ****e they want until they get their own way, but the public can only get 1 vote and thats ****ing it!!! An ****ing shambles!!
"DUP voted against" well there's a fcking surprise. Hate those ****s, they've voted against everything in every vote over the last 3 months. The UK wide customs union completely solves the gripe about a backstop. Could it be that the backstop is all a red herring and they just want a hard border? Hmmmm... I wonder. Labour need to get a fcking grip. IF... IF... parliament can get a consensus for something like a Customs Union which then gets Brexit through, they will at least have proved that they weren't the problem and it was May and the Tory government that didn't get its act together. Who the hell advises these morons?
If we would build them a wall and make the irish pay for it they might be happy. there were a significant amount of labour defectors. Both customs union and referendum would have passed if no labour defectors voted them down. I am however assuming these people were not sent to do exactly that by corbyn. As it stands its precarious but i just feel that had a customs union option been picked then everyone would have scrambled on the labour side to vote down may for a third time and may needs someone to either abstain or vote for her to counter the dup. As now there is no preferred option at all... (sort of) the choice is now down to the erg again... If May says vote yes and i'm gone instantly and the customs union is a half threat (sort of) then the question is down to ERG.. can they get the dreamed hard brexit or will we see a long long extension with european elections? The default now is leave on 12th.. so by the 12th someone will have a vote on having european elections... they will... it might be defeated
Bloody hell MITO that's even more complicated than I thought! One thing I don't buy is the idea that if there was a majority for Customs Union, it would somehow send a majority to May's Deal. There's never been anywhere close to a majority for May's deal. So if somehow another 8 votes are agreed behind the scenes for a Customs Union, then the majority of MPs genuinely favour a Customs Union. If they've voted for it, why would they feel threatened by it? It'll be about 290 MPs, the numbers just don't stack up for May's Deal. The best thing about this is we could keep May's Deal and the EU would happily add UK wide Customs Union to it. Where May could be a right **** is if she says, oh I'll add it to the Political Declaration as that's not legally binding and I think that will cause another uproar in the HoC because people wouldn't trust her OR an incoming hardline brexiteer PM to see it through.
As of today we are faced with crisis. theres no path forward. Or i should say politically everyone has painted themselves into a corner and nobody will climb down and lose face but the country faces a crash out if they dont. so: the withdrawal agreement does what? a) exists EU b) pays EU money for projects c) maintains regulations and in effect UK as a whole is locked to EU until future is agreed (and the dup claim this only affect NI which is bull) So the current withdrawal agreement is a holding station. A zombie state waiting for a future relationship to be agreed. That could be anything BUT the point is the back stop means you cannot be very far off the customs union to work the back stop. And thus we reach the true issue. The back stop isn't giving some people what they want which is a hard border with ireland (dup) and the end of eu regulations (ERG) The only game in town today is May's deal we've known it as far back as july or whenever david davies ran away and refused to accept reality. We've known it since november, december, january and we knew it on the day of the second vote. Voting no to no deal (labour) but then voting against Mays deal (the only option) is bascially illogical. We went to EU and asked for extension and were grated two options. one to please sort your heads out but go and let us have eelctions deal or the second being accept uk withdrawal treaty/deal and **** off. IF we accept eu elections and have those then brexit is off for 2 years and we start day 1. The fear then is the rising tide of condemnation demands a general election. So the ERG IMO has left this one vote too late to suck it up. They are now having to roll the dice... if they even can... Accept mays deal but dup might vote it down OR risk no brexit at all cos a new election could deliver god knows what result
It may be a clever ploy. That leaves the next PM to shape the Political Declaration how they want. ERG may get behind it. The problem for her is that every Labour MP she had on side earlier won't vote for it tomorrow because they are worried exactly about that.
the eu set this up that the UK must be out before the eu will negotiate the future relationship with us. with respect to any government.. the reality is the eu will call the shots on what's on offer.
Oh yeh I don't doubt it, especially with May's deal. Tories will bring in a hardline brexiteer Primer Minister who will have his arse handed back to him at every negotiation, no resolution to NI so the backstop comes into force and indefinite Customs Union becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy of the hardliners own making!
with any deal... any deal. that's my point. the current withdrawal deal.is did worst postion. they structured it that way and that's why Davies ran away cos he couldn't do a thing about it. the reality is the only.means to.stop that would have been to say ****.off eu in 2016 and just crashed straight out. to even want a deal meant the eu could.set the terms.... So all the brexiteers who were in on this are.even more cynical than.me if that's possible.
**** the deal off and just leave. Any deal now will just see the same situation without a seat to influence anything. The main reason people wanted Brexit isn't even being discussed; additional numbers being added to a already massively over populated country! PS... but not before I've secured my mortgage renewal
The only possible bargaining chip we had was the money we give them. The EU got that sewn up nice and early, from then on we had precisely **** all to negotiate with. Any deal we now strike is worse than what we've already got, the EU hold all the cards and we've wondered right into it. Going forward the only two options that could lead to the country coming out ahead are either remain, or tell the EU to stick they are getting **** all, crash out and hope for the best.
The second is utter folly. the first is what no political group really wants. snp claim is but brexit enables their own referendum. that's the issue.
the problem there is the same situation means jobs and trade protected rather than implosion. the reality of the people getting added is thry do/did jobs lazy arses wouldn't and also... the falicy is most immigrants come from outside eu. and worst of all for this arguement are/were needed to run economy. the no deal scenario is akin to reseting global (not just eu) trade back to year zero of the wto. crash out and see what free trade we have with China and Japan (by far biggest economies to worry about) never mind USA who will be an actual bully. that's the reality. I'm as annoyed by this bullshit as the next man but I think the reality of the situation if no deal must be spelled out we all should remember the UK withdrawal agreement is just that. a withdrawal agreement that gives us time to negotiate as a non eu member with all the countries we trade with globally under the terms of eu trade deals (excellent terms) to dismiss it as **** cos some Loonies think the backstop threatens the union is silly... or it politically motivated. again reality is 60mil v 500mil.. of course the 27 are going to get the best outcome.
i think its probably more they come here and just get on the benefit gravy train and don't even look for work, yes i know most come here to work. i work with a young girl and she has just become pregnant, her other half is in the army. his side of the family have all worked hers the council house and benefits etc. she wants him to quite his job and both of them live on benefits in a council house with baby when it arrives. sadly that is the kind of ****ing society we are creating today!!!
ah here.... the offical ****ing stats say more immigrants work as a percentage than uk citizens. the figures i saw said 70% worked and 60% for uk. Your example i PRESUME are uk citizens.
