Off Topic The Moggfather Appreciation Society

dry your eyes mate

EDIT: Stan beat me to it lol

 

Is that Michael Gove cross dressing?


..... yet another walking, talking turd

 

If there are any tears in my eyes, they'd be from the mirth of watching you trying to dig yourself out of another self dug hole.

 

He has said he may back it if May threatens to revoke Article 50, provided the DUP go along with it.
But they wont, and May wont revoke article 50, and even with Mogg and a couple dozen back benchers U-turning, the deal will still be 50-60 votes short, so all this is moot.

 

He has changed his mind. He said the deal was the worst possible outcome & worse than staying in. Now all of sudden it isn’t, as he’s changed his mind.

The people need to be given the opportunity to express their opinion.

 

He was right the first time.
Either **** or get off the pot.
If we are going to be in a Customs Union, and subject to ECJ rulings then we may as well have stayed in the ****ing EU! All this will have been for nothing!

 

Mogg has changed his tune due to personal political expediency? That's almost as big a shock as Wednesday following on from Tuesday, Mogg is as transparent as air.

 

Tbh I'm not personally arguing for or against a people's vote. But Mogg and those who continue to support his hypocrisy haven't got a leg to stand on by arguing against it now that he's happy to accept a vote to change his mind. And not on a minor difference, but something he felt so strongly about - as strongly as many Leavers have. He argues the situation has developed in 12 weeks for him to vote again, but not in 3 years for the people to

 

Apparently it's undemocratic to have another vote 3 years on, especially as now the truths of the campaigns have been laid bare.

 

I'm in the camp that think Brexit is absolutely absurd. It's like cutting off the testicles to spite the penis.

With that said, for a long time I thought that it would be undemocratic to force through a revote. You don't just keep having referendums until things go in your favour. If remain had won, it would be wrong to have a referendum every year until a leave vote was reached.

With that said, the difference now is that the government has tried to make a deal and failed dramatically to come away with a good deal. The population are much better informed now, and according to most polls I've seen the referendum was a blip in public opinion and most polls before or after have seen remain as the more popular option.

It seems ridiculous to go on marching into the flames despite knowing the house is burning down around you and you no longer want to go inside.

A second referendum now that things have changed so dramatically makes so much sense.

 

At best that would make it one all, or two one to leave depending how you count it. When will the decider be?

 

No need for a decider, remain wins on the away goals rule.


The most recent referendum would represent the current will of the people. You don't take score of previous votes.

If Scotland had voted to leave we wouldn't have said "OK, well, in the 80's and 60's you voted to stay part of UK so it's still 2-1 to remain part of the UK."

I'm against recasting referendums in general unless something drastic happens.

Something drastic HAS happened. The government has failed to reach an exit deal.

If in the future the EU cast a rule that is anathema to what the British believe, then it would be just to hold another referendum at that time if there are indications the public wish it.

 

Surely remain are the home side. The EU have done quite a few things that go against what Britain believes already. As a consequence we voted to leave.

That follows your criteria and saves time. Efficency and satisfaction all round.

 

... and the leave campaign captain has subsequently been found to be in contempt of Parliament ergo (match fixing) ... the game was fixed and it's time for an above board, clean and honest, rematch

 

As there's a massive cloud hanging over the EU regarding its own integrity, any rematch has to be on neutral territory. So shall it be Russia or America?

 

So we have three endings to this now:

a) May's Deal goes through, this is my least favourite of the options
b) We revoke Article 50 and stay in the EU, this for me, is preferable to option A because if we are going to be subject to any EU rules, then we need to be in it, its that simple
c) My preferred option, tell them arrogant ****s to stick it up their arses and have nothing to do with them, politically, ever again. If they want to make a trade deal in future, based on commerce, then great, if there are any political conditions....nope...keep your cheese and prosseco. And I am more than happy to pay a little extra to buy a car.

I would honestly rather remain than take May's deal, it gives us all of the negatives of staying in the EU with only half of the positives! How on earth could that remotely be considered better than remaining?!

 

It's not a cloud ... it's the Leave Campaign's long lost Blimp with those false claims about post Brexit NHS funding plastered along the sides

 

May's deal is what the Remain side said we'd end up with ie a weaker, less well off version of what we used to be.

What the Leave side promised was never deliverable.

 

Why's that then?
And if that is what Leave promised, and Leave won, why has it not been delivered?
Its only undeliverable because complete ****ing coward ****s say it is.

 

Because the EU rules on exiting the EU, drafted by a Brit, and a future relationship with the EU don't allow for the kind of Brexit that Leave promised.

Either the Leave campaign didn't understand the mechanics of Brexit or they didn't care about them as all that mattered was "winning".