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Discussion in 'Leeds United' started by MIGHTY, Oct 1, 2017.

  1. Canary Rob

    Canary Rob Well-Known Member

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    Because the Tories promised it in their manifesto.

    Unfortunately it sounded like their promise would actually include implementing the result, but actually referendums do not have any legal basis under our constitution so whatever the outcome, our Government would still have complete power to do what they wanted irrespective of the result.

    It was basically a glorified opinion poll, though it wasn’t presented as such by the cynical ****$ who run our country, on both the remain and the leave side. And worst of all David Cameron who promised to stay and implement the result.

    Like the Government, I believe they are morally obliged to implement it, but I accept there is nothing legally requiring them to do so, and the reality we all have to accept is that if there is another democratic decision which overturns the referendum although it is extremely disappointing that the Government and the Brexiters have not kept their promises that will be the new democratic mandate.
     
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    Not strictly accurate as the alternative vote referendum was legally binding as legislation had been passed as Parliamentary Voting System and Constituencies Act 2011 which was titled 'An Act to make provision for a referendum on the voting system for parliamentary elections and to provide for parliamentary elections to be held under the alternative vote system if a majority of those voting in the referendum are in favour of that; to make provision about the number and size of parliamentary constituencies; and for connected purposes'


    So we could have made a plan for how to leave the EU, negotiated that with the EU and then created legislation on leaving the EU subject to it passing by referendum.


    (the rest of your post I agree with)
     
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    Only the EU would only negotiate after article 50 was triggered.<doh>
     
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  4. Canary Rob

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    Except it wasn’t the actual AV referendum that was legally binding... it was the Act you quote. And then would have been the SIs off the back of the referendum if it had been successful.

    The referendum was again simply the mechanic. A glorified opinion poll.
     
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    Fair point in reverse.
     
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    At least the people are now united, Remainers and Leavers alike, in distaste for our ruling class.
     
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    Speak for yourself fella. i’m fine with it.

    My problem is with referenda. You can’t let the British people vote for something meaningful and important. Half of them can’t dress themselves, let alone make an informed choice. Just keep letting them vote for the same old sh*te where nothing much changes and they cant do much damage.:emoticon-0105-wink:
     
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    Doesn't bode well for you fella,when you trust Corbyn and Dianne Abbott to speak for you,because they are better than you at making informed choices.<yikes>
     
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  12. Canary Rob

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    <laugh>

    True, but then I’m a believer in democracy and that means giving people an equal vote irrespective of their IQ
     
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    No you misunderstand me fella, I think they’re better than you at making informed choices not better than me<laugh><laugh><laugh>

    Granted with Corbyn and Abbott or johnson and gove, its pretty marginal.
     
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    Very commendable fella. I used to have values once. A long time ago.
     
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    So, what if we had another Losers/peoples vote and they won. would that only be advisory?
    at the end of the day, we have a remain Parliament, the majority of the self serving crooks want to stay and get their noses in the trough, they are defying the majority vote with all this bollox about obligations, legalities and such, its a charade. The Hunchback , who is a remainer, knew what Corbyn was gonna do, Corbyn knew what she was gonna do and it all turns into a ****ing mess, they are a traitorous bunch of ****s, roll on the bloody civil war

    btw, I get what you're saying<ok>
     
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    I see the Bias Broadcasting Cooperation are advertising the revoke article 50 campaign another sign we do not live in a democracy.

    This whole thing parliament, MP's, Country stinks.

    When's the revolution, it can't be far off now.
     
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    Yes, if there were another vote that would also effectively only be advisory (although the Government might put in commitments to implement it). The only way Brexit can be cancelled is if Parliament authorise cancelling it (there is an argument apparently that Government already has the power to revoke Article 50, but I think they would be on shaky ground doing it without Parliament’s consent), irrespective of whether there is a second referendum or not. <ok>

    Ps currently it does not look like there is a majority in Parliament for cancelling Brexit
     
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    There’s a clear majority who'd Like to... they just don’t fancy getting lynched!
     
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    Possibly, I think though many understand that morally revoking Article 50 at this stage is unacceptable (that might just be my opinion projecting). There would definitely need to be another plebiscite before they could contemplate it - both Labour and Tories had in their manifesto that they would implement the referendum.
     
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    I'll bet there would be no shouts of "but it was only advisory" by banana gob Miller and the rest of the moaning ****s if they won.
    I reckon if there was another vote to leave it would increase significantly for leave, the average joe has had enough of these self serving bastards governing us
     
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