Parliament shouldn't be debating it at all,the referendum was instead of parliament and your mixing up slight changes to imposing the opposite of what the referendum put forward
He did indeed say something like that didn't he. Now who do you think he was referring to ? Someone from this forum or perhaps an acquaintance from elsewhere ? Or perhaps you're still swallowing Glory's hooks and choking on the bait.
Well their amendments went in so, technically, yes some of them. But the point is as with all things to do with our governance everyone in Parliament gets to vote on it unless it sits with the executive (prerogative). So Labour (and all the other minority parties) get a say on the Finance Bill. Usually, though, their say does not matter if the Government can control their own party MPs.
Perhaps,or maybe someone who is obsessed with what other fans do,did grass,I don't know,maybe you do.
The finance bill doesn't have a referendum though does it,parliaments job was to stop a few people from over ruling the majority,the very thing they are now doing.
Don’t get me wrong I agree with your concept. I’m just saying that it is not how our Parliament, our constitution, works. The way ours works (despite the promises made by Brexiteers and Cameron alike during the referendum) is that Parliament is sovereign - they take back control and they decide absolutely everything. The few in Parliament can and always have been able to overrule the majority. They overrule everything. A referendum has no binding legal status in our country; we can discuss whether it ought to (as we did above) and it underlines the many, many flaws in our “democracy”, but that is the way it is. When we voted to take back control, we voted to give control to Parliament. That’s how our system works. We, the people, don’t have any power (whether under referendum or otherwise) save for that every now and again we get to vote for our local MP. That’s it. That’s all the power we have. And for most people, even their vote on that as a practical matter can’t really change who their MP is. That’s how bad our democracy is. I don’t like it either.
The referendum was because it was too important a decision for parliament to take,they should have no say in it,the government should have made all the decisions,not parliament.
hahahahahahahahahahah The referendum was because Cameron got cocky and wanted to see off the UKIP threat to the Conservative vote.
It might and it might not - same with the Conservatives Polling today shows that 7% think Theresa May's government has handed talks well (love to know who the **** that 7% are!) with 81% thinking it's gone badly. As I said in the earlier post you have to deal with the realitites of the situation and they are not without consequences. The MP's will be judged on their actions and some will lose their job because of it - both remainers in brexiteer constituencies and vice versa. Some have looked at what they think would happen under No Deal and are prepared to lose their job as they think they would be judged worse in the long run if it goes catastrophically wrong.
So as usual you know nothing...but continue to cast aspersions. My understanding of being helpful is assisting fellow fans to either watch games live at the ground by purchasing their tickets for them. Or providing information so they can watch the games on LUTV in the UK should they so wish. You continually question my stance towards fellow forum members enjoying following our team via illegal streams without any shred of evidence that it's something I disapprove of. Furthermore informing the authorities of something which as an offence is fairly trivial and would be entirely against the spirit of friendship and camaraderie which exists on this board is not something that I personally would ever entertain doing.
So looks like the DUP who 'saved' Theresa May by forming a coalition have now finished her.... https://news.sky.com/story/dup-prefer-long-brexit-delay-to-pms-deal-sky-sources-11675614
Sure, that might be a better system, a more ideal one. But the point is that’s just not how our constitution works. The referendum, constitutionally, was simply advisory. I would have liked it to be legally binding and I believe that it morally needs to be implemented, but I cannot pretend that it actually has any legal effect as it does not. Only Parliament is sovereign here. Our constitution says Parliament gets all those decisions. That’s what our Parliamentary sovereignty means, that’s how it is. Parliament taking control. And until there is enough opposition to our ridiculous excuse for a “Democratic” system, we are stuck with it. And the ridiculous outcomes we are getting now, where power sits entirely in the hands of 650 MPs.
This article https://www.politico.eu/article/eur...david-cameron-about-stupid-brexit-referendum/ Typical politicians, under estimating the public and devious plans that backfire.
Me,no Glory said it not me,why are you so obsessed,with what other fans do ? Comes over as quite arrogant telling others you are in the right,when with your VPN link you clearly aren't.
Because Cameron wanted to see off a rise in UKIP and got cocky with winning the alternative vote and Scottish Independence referendums.
