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  1. Garlic Klopp

    Garlic Klopp Well-Known Member

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    There was definitely an economic boom, built on daft house prices, huge mortgages due to low interest rates, and debt. Not built increased productivity.
     
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  2. Treble

    Treble Keyser Söze

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    The surveyors always escape any blame for this. They pushed the house price boom, with no comparable evidence to do so. They were absolutely complicit back then and continue to be once again now.
     
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  3. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    Their job is to sell.

    In the end they've a vested interest
     
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  4. Treble

    Treble Keyser Söze

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    Not really, they get paid either way. Their job is to provide an impartial assessment to protect the lender. For more comprehensive surveys it's also to protect the buyer. Whatever they value it at they get paid. I saw these fckers justifying £30k, £40k, £50k mark ups about 18-20 years ago with no comparable evidence.
     
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  5. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    Tuesday: Theresa May has a meeting of her cabinet. Tuesday had been considered as a possible day for the so-called third meaningful vote on Mrs May's withdrawal deal. But, on Monday, the PM said the deal did not have enough support to get through the Commons "as things stand".

    Wednesday: This is when indicative votes would be held - we don't know yet whether MPs will be free to vote how they want or be directed along party lines.

    Thursday: A possible opportunity for meaningful vote three. The prime minister may hope that Brexiteers will finally decide to throw their weight behind her deal.

    Friday: This is written into law as the day the UK leaves the EU, although the PM has said she will pass legislation this week to remove it. The earliest Brexit is likely to happen is now 12 April.

    from BBC.

    I would presume Thursday is the day the vote for removing the 29th march happens. talk about running it to last second.

    That vote should have happened last week after she was given her marching orders.
     
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  6. Uncle Colm

    Uncle Colm Dullcrusher

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    And so was Lawson's boom of the late 80's, specifically built upon reckless tax cuts (primarily for the wealthy) and a dangerous lack of investment in the country's infrastructure and services, such as roads, schools, hospitals, railways and councils. Oh, and I meant £500bn, not £5bn - yes, Labour had to spend half a trillion pounds of our money on bailing out the banks. Much as Cameron and his cronies decried that, he's never suggested what he'd have done instead. We should be thankful that Brown and Darling actually resisted some of the free-market jihadist deregulation proposals espoused by Osbourne et al while in opposition before the crash - it could have been even worse.
     
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  7. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    question:

    Did the idiots in the ERG leave it one vote too long?

    If the 75 morons had voted on second chance on mays deal it'd be done friday.

    As of now any sort of old **** could come out. They are looking at maybe not being able to even get a 3rd go at it.

    Last time out 75 tories voted it down and margin was 149. they could have passed it without DUP.

    The REALITY is the DUP are an excuse for some of these guys. the ERG couldn't give a **** about the dup's opinion on anything. Its a pure excuse imo that we are saying that somehow the dup has the moral authority and say by right for ni.
     
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  8. LuisDiazgamechanger

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  9. Treble

    Treble Keyser Söze

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    Well it seems she will have that 3rd MV now that she's told the Tories she's going to quit. Meanwhile Mogg has jettisoned all his principles to support a deal he was calling a betrayal of Brexit just 2 weeks ago. So maybe it will pass now?
     
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  10. LuisDiazgamechanger

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    Theresa May says she will resign as prime minister if it means her Brexit deal passes


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    What has May's resignation got to do with whether the deal is good for the country?

    Disgusting that even now they're blatantly still just thinking of themselves.
     
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    It's a conspiracy they want to see her back .
     
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  13. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    The reality is today's votes should have happened in 2016 or at least before withdrawal act.



    Right now mogg has finally realised the risks. But unless a referendum or a customs union option hits the majority he will probably wriggle off the hook.

    I'd laugh at him and his ilk no to no deal and a customs union is what comes out as favoured option
     
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  14. Treble

    Treble Keyser Söze

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    I can't see him or Boris getting off the hook at all. Those neanderthal Leave voters that they whipped up against May's deal are now turning on them en-masse and you just have to turn on the news and see what they're saying. Read the comments on these for a flavour...







    The Tories are fcked right now.
     
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    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    So nothing was supported.

    The UK parliament supports no type of future relations with eu.

    It refuses to have no deal but wants no kind of deal.
     
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  16. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    So...

    No referendum.

    No path forward

    No path back.

    Bit of a whine about having no deal.

    That about sums up what was voted this evening.

    Some party needs to stop talking and put down no confidence motion
     
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  17. astro

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    Coinflip wins?
     
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  18. Uncle Colm

    Uncle Colm Dullcrusher

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    Far too early to breathe again - the Brexit Taliban plan now is to accept the Withdrawal Agreement, get Boris or Raab* in, then spend the next two years during the negotiations for the future relationship to be as close to no deal as makes no difference.

    * This **** have links to the IEA, the shadowy right-wing, ultra free market lobbying group that somehow keeps its charitable, think-tank status even though it won't say who funds it (the same alt-right groups that fund Brietbart and Trump according to Private Eye). You can often see that chubby Yank Kate Andrews popping up on everything on the BBC from Newsnight to This Week espousing privatising the NHS and a free trade agreement with the US. And surprise, surprise - Raab has written several articles supporting privatising the NHS.

    Small world, eh?
     
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  19. Treble

    Treble Keyser Söze

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    The Indicative Votes were never going to give anything conclusive today. That was stated clearly this morning and it was just a starting point. There were 8 options put forward to discuss and get some indicator as to which might have some traction. It's important to note it isn't about how many get approved, only ONE is needed to get TM's deal through. What happens next is where things will come into shape. Between now and Monday there will be cross-party debate to whittle down the most unlikely and have a shortlist from which at least one can gain a consensus for a majority. Right now that looks to be a Customs Union which had a very close vote today.

    The only thing that can scupper the process now is if MV3 gets passed on Friday, in which case that goes through and there's no need to continue with IVs.
     
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  20. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    the breakdown in votes is interesting.

    a) customs union . 10 Labour voted it down
    dup voted against.
    33 conservatives voted for it.
    only.one lib dems bothered to vote for and one against.

    b) referendum. 27 Labour voted it down.
    dup voted against
    8 Toe as voted for it.
    11 lid dems voted for
    etc etc


    c) labour alternative. labour broke with party.


    So in actual fact labour scuppered a 2nd referendum and also scuppered the customer option.

    I wonder what they are saying behind closed doors today as they did whip for this.

    really it's just mildly interesting to see how some didn't bother to vote at all on options.
     
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