MUFCOK A lot of people thought the same thing about Antonio Valencia, he was signed from Wigan, and he was coached by Steve Bruce. He needed a lot of re-coaching to get rid of the bad habits Bruce instilled into him. The same applies to Jordan Henderson, Liverpool are currently re-coaching him. So Downing has the ability to succeed, and Ashley Young whom I'm not disputing has hit the ground running played for the same mid-table side as SD, and SD although not as spectacular as Young is the more consistent. I made this comment on another thread, Downing is your Valencia to Youngs Nani.
See KPR when you are civilised you can make sense. Instead of the rubbish you post why can't you be normal? Anyway, I also said on another thread, although unspectacular, Downing is very consistant. Just as Valencia is. Valencia was very sought after in Europe before he moved to Wigan. He played for Villarreal but they loaned him out to Real Valladolid and then Wigan, where he impressed. He then went on to have a very good World Cup for Ecuador and was runner up for the Young Player of the tournament. Valencia has only improved in his career, he never stagnated at a club. He was terrific in his second season for Wigan and was wanted by Real Madrid. Though he chose United because he thought he would get more game time here. Downing on the other hand started off well for Middlesbrough but when he moved to Villa he seemed to go a bit stale. When he was brought into the England team he was supposed to be the saviour to England's left wing problems. It didn't turn out well for him as poor performances kept him out of the starting XI. Even Gerrard and Milner were prefered on the left to Downing.
Valencia didn't need that much re-coaching at all when he came to Utd - he hit the ground running and was impressive throughout. In fact, he was one of the main reasons Rooney scored so many goals that season, and I'm sure his absence played a role in Rooney having such a poor spell in the first half of last season. Henderson needs more coaching, but that's mainly cos he's quite inexperienced in general, and will potentially be playing two roles for Liverpool if he plays in the centre and on the right. I think it's too early to tell whether he will be able to do that, and whether he will adapt to playing in a top PL side. Time will tell.
Arsene Wenger's youth philosophy is miles better than Fergie's. Anyone can splash 10s of millions on Bebe, Nani, Rooney, Jones, Smalling etc. It takes muich more intellect to bring through players like Wilshere, Fabregas, Song, Frimpong, Clichy, Gibbs etc like Wenger has, and now that Wenger has added some sensible experienced signings to our talented youngsters you will see the proof when Arsenal win the league
Yeah Giggs, Scholes, Butt, Beckham and the Neville's were all **** weren't they. Didn't win a thing that lot.
Are you taking the piss?? Did you even see Uniteds youngsters make mincemeat of Wengers the other week??
SAF's youth philosophy is miles better than Wenger's. Anyone can splash 10s of millions on Nasri, Walcott, Chamberlain, Reyes, Henry, Jeffers (), Ramsey etc. It takes much more intellect to bring through players like Cleverley, Welbeck, Giggs, Beckham, Scholes, Neville, Neville, Butt, Fletcher, Evans, Rafael, Fabio etc like SAF has, and we have already seen the proof when Man Utd won the league. See what I did there?
SAF is different league to Wenger, even daft comparing them. But about the club producing players thing. Scholes, Beckham, Giggs, Neville, was nearly 20 years ago. Fabio twins were brought, Cleverly and Welbeck There just normal players, nothing special, not even close to it, if there the best your producing, that's pretty poor Clubs produce 10 welbecks and 10 cleverly's all the time, ya dig?
Could say the same thing about Arsenal tbh. Song, Clichy, Frimpong and Gibbs are all nothing special and Fabregas was bought, so the only great player Wenger has really "produced" is Wilshere. I guess it depends on how much weight you put on the development that occurs at youth level (i.e. U18) and when a player is 18-21 and just starting to break through to the first team. Although given that Welbeck and Cleverley are both starting for Utd and in the England squad at a very young age, I don't think you can say clubs produce ten of them all the time. They are not stand out players (yet), but they are a long way above average for their age, and certainly have the potential to go on to become great. Gary Neville wasn't rated all that highly when he was 20 but ended up being one of England's best ever right backs. Even players like Scholes and Lampard didn't really receive recognition as great players until they were 22-23.
Wilshere is not a great player, not even close, decent, but not great I think as long as your club are winning things consistently, it don't matter who they produce. TBH i prefer it when if your club is missing a certain player for a position, that the club get's the best player available in the transfer market, rather than waiting for a player to develop for a couple years or keeping lesser players
Swarbs I think it is very easy to notice that ElPistolero is KPR. You even admitted yourself in another thread. Though he has been civilised (for KPR) you can see he has just made this account to wind people up. I am guessing it is against the rules to create another account and come on to the forum you are banned on. It won't be long until he says something he will regret.
I have to agree with the Man United fans that their youth set-up is superior to Arsenals. Man United can get players to progress into the first team. Arsenals seem to stop once they reach reserve levels. Arsenals youth player non progression ratio is extremely high. In the last 11 years they have produced (not bought) 2 players that have been regular first-teamers. They are Ashley Cole and Jack Wilshire.
