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Don’t want Powell back under any circumstances

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  1. ForestHillBilly

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    And so it was written that there would be a second coming of the Messiah.......
     
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    We’ve been over this argument 1000 times.

    He had £1m for Carl Jenkinsin that season- which he spent well. Every other season of his managerial career since then he has been an abject failure. His style of football is also turgid in the extreme. If Powell ever came back to Charlton as manager, that would prompt my own boycott.
     
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    Next stop Barnet for CP.
     
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    He wouldn't do what Duchatelet wanted either.
    Anybody who accepts a management level job from RD is suspect in my opinion. Part of the problem, not part of the solution.
     
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    Someone has to be our manager ?

    The alternative is the Duchatelet puts in a Karel Fraud type figure ...it must be Thomas Driesen’s turn next.
     
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    So the Belgian is now less objectionable than a long time Charlton player and manager who won us a promotion.
    Duchatelet has been a plague on this Club.
    Tolerating him but turning against one of our own? Methinks the 'Last Apologist Standing' poll needs a late addition.
     
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    10th the following season is hardly abject failure.
     
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    Bowyer is Duchatelet's puppet, and excuses his regime by accepting that Driesen has the last word on the players he can have.
    RD should be forced to employ his own network lap dogs and yes-men, but because of Bowyer he does not have to.

    LB is a willing part of the cost-cutting project, to reduce losses to zero and reduce the size of CAFC to roughly the size of Welling United.
     
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    It is not the fact I don’t like him, he is a very decent human being. I don’t rate him as a Manager. His record at Huddersfield and Southend is awful. Are you saying @lardiman that you would take Powell as our Manager? If that happened I fear he would take us to the middle or lower reaches of Div1. I would like to head in the other direction. That is why Bowyer and Jackson are a better bet.
     
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    It won't happen of course.
    Powell won't return to Charlton while Duchatelet is the owner, and RD would never offer him his old job back anyway.

    This is just a bit of forum banter to while away a boring weekend as far as I'm concerned.
    Charlton will be in L2 in a few years anyway, with or without Powell.
    The cost-cutting can only end in that outcome.
     
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    Wasn’t Powell an apologist? He worked under RD. He accepted the players like Thuram, Koc, Polish Pete etc. that were given to him. He accepted Driesen. He accepted Meire. He continued working under RD until he got sacked. That would make him just as much an apologist as Bowyer and Jackson. Even more so as he accepted the crap players that were foisted on him. At least Bowjacko find the players and pass them by Driesen.
     
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    Powell wouldn't pick those crap players after giving them one or two chances.
    Even when he was told by e-mail to play them.

    Of course he forced RD to sack him. Why should he walk away with no compensation?
    Powell did not walk away on day 1 because doubtless RD fed him the same load of horsesh*t he feeds everybody that he wants to use. It took a month or two to reveal what kind of owner Roland really was.
    You can call Chris Powell an apologist if you like, it doesn't bother me because it isn't true.

    Powell already had a job at Charlton when RD bought the Club.
    Because Powell would not do as he was told like all the other yes-men, RD was forced to sack him.

    Lee Bowyer took a new job at the Club under RD, then accepted the manager's job.
    He does what he is told by Driesen and Duchatelet, and he never steps out of line. He's just the glove puppet RD has been waiting for.
    Works like a trooper on the scraps Driesen allows him to have, and keeps the remaining fans quiet while RD cuts costs to zero and downsizes the Club to non-league proportions.

    Not an apologist really, more of a collaborator.
     
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    That FA Cup Quarter final at Sheffield Utd certainly was.

    Nobody- even the politically correct bed wetters over on Cardigan Life - can polish the turd that his managerial career has been since he left Charlton.

    It will be hilarious if he takes Southend down <laugh>
     
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    And the second round match against Doncaster this season was what - a tactical success?
    Bowyer has achieved nothing so far except to excuse RD's cost cutting, and collaborate with it.

    I'll never regard any puppet of this owner above a man who achieved so much for Charlton in his time.
    And who gives a damn about Powell's record for other Clubs? Only his enemies.
     
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    Not going to rewrite history, Powell was tactically limited and unimaginative in his use of substitutions. But cast your mind back to the last home game of the season we finished 10th, or the season before for that matter. Wonderful happy occasions, especially with the Hartlepool fans, and why? Because the fans, the players and the manager were united as one, the holy trinity as Shankly called it. And no Roland of course.
     
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    Your argument doesn’t stack up. If Powell wasn’t an apologist he would have walked when he found out what RD was like. He didn’t, which makes him an apologist.I don’t see what the difference is between Bowyer and Powell.They both worked/ workunder RD. The only difference is that Powell failed and was sacked. Thank God for Jose Riga.
     
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    Powell would have kept Charlton up that season.
    They were only 4 points adrift, with 4 games in hand.
    Les Reed or Karel Fraeye, or you or me could have kept Charlton up in 2014.

    If Jose Riga was all that, why could he not keep Charlton up in 2016?
    We were 3 points from safety when Riga took the job for a second time.
    Riga had 20 games to overhaul those 3 points.
    Instead we went down 9 points adrift of safety at the end of 2015-16.

    Jose Riga is the least worst of all the RD yes-men who came before the relegation.
    Lee Bowyer is the least worst of those who have come since.
     
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    Bowyer is the only manager who hasn't failed under Roland- yet. And Roland has done his best to alter, probably successfully, that by selling one half of our first potent strike force for years. Argue as much as you like about the best and worst, but Roland is an absolute nightmare of an owner, we all know that, just as we all know there will always be someone to take on the gig, just as there was at Blackpool under the Oystons.
     
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    In the main Powell did not play the pricks put on his doorstep.
     
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    But he still worked under RD, until he was sacked. He had plenty of opportunities to leave, but didn’t . By Lardiman’s rationale, that would qualify him as an apologist.
     
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