Listening to the radio yesterday and John Fashanu came on talking about management in the game. He has all of his coaching badges and would like to get into management but he uses the fact that there are very few black managers as a stick to beat football clubs with. Doesn't, at any point, take into account that people like Paul Ince (who stated he wouldn't get a top management job as he was black) are **** managers! He said "people won't take a chance on me" and intimated that it was down to the colou of his skin. Seriously pisses me off this. If him, Sol Campbell, Paul Ince etc. were great managers they'd be at top clubs - fact is that they're **** - nothing to do wtih what colour their skin is, they've just been **** when they've managed. If you stick a label on and say "I won't apply because I'm black and people won't take a chance" then you're never going to get anywhere! There's a number of white managers who can;t get jobs for the same reason - they're not good enough. But they accept that they're not good enough!
Talent or competency is the same irrespective of skin colour, race, religion, gender etc. etc. Are all people treated the same though? That's the question.
Spot on. We allknow dozens of totally incompetent managers who keep getting one job after another even after being sacked for their incompetance. I whould hazard a guess at this group is 99% white. It would appear to me that possibly black would be coaches/managers are truly not getting the CHANCE to show their level of competency. The 64 thousand dollar question is. . . Why ?
Where is he coaching with? Or is he not prepared to earn his stripes like 90% of managers. Sent from my Moto G (5) using Tapatalk
I agree, many of the people who seem to shout these things from the rooftops have not covered themselves in glory or are not the sort of people you'd like your club to headhunt, whether they are black or white. However there does seem to be a lack of black coaches, law of averages say that nowadays there should be alot more and the question that the Paul Ince's and Sol Campbell's dont seem to raise is why, and they dont seem to be quick at pointing their fingers at specific targets. At what point, from their initial coaching, to the managerial vacancy does the door get firmly slammed in their faces? Are they claiming that former black players are hindered at the coaching stage and are not able to reach their full potential as coaches? Are they claiming that 98% of club owners are racist by not considering them? Are they claiming that the average football fan does not want a black coach at their club so the club owners are bowing to the fans? The only thing you hear from these people is RACIST, but they dont seem to want to talk about the root of the matter, which doesnt help their argument in the slightest.
Aye, I think some people think that they could walk into any managerial job at any league club. I'm sure there are many non league clubs down to Sunday league where he could potentially earn his stripes, a club where his name would carry alot more weight than the supposed weight of the fact that he isnt white. From there he could earn his stripes and move his way up the ladder.
I struggle to believe as an ex pro with all his badges he can't get coaching work at a professional level. Sent from my Moto G (5) using Tapatalk
Absolutely - chances are he hasn't tried as he's not willing to earn his stripes - he just wants them given to him. From listening to him he wants it handed on a plate because he's black! Top and bottom of it is, if you are the best person for the job, (in any walk of like) you should get the job. Nothing more or less is required. If you are an inexperienced manager then it doesn't matter what colour your skin is, you won't get the top jobs
But, Brian, it would appear that they don’t get the chance, based purely on numbers. I can not and will say this s based on colour. However it appears as Mr 55 says law pf averages is not held in this circumstance. So they question ‘Why’ is valid. If only to clear the waters. KTF
But what is the reason why there are few black managers in the lower leagues (League 1 & 2)? In 2017-2018 there were 3 black managers in the 92 clubs. 2 of those were probably Hughton & Moore (I might be wrong) who had 'top jobs' . Leaving 1 black man managing 1 from 90 clubs. Now looking at the lower leagues I can suggest (again I might be wrong) that a decent proportion of the white managers in these jobs are not particularly experienced, I certainly can name very few of them. The problem I see is that when these lower league jobs are dished out you'd expect at least some of them would be picked up by former black players. You'd think by now, in this day and age, that by law of averages there would more black managers in the lower leagues, instead of just the one. Reasons for this are either, there are not that many black men wanting to become coaches or managers in the past 10-15 years, its been scientifically acknowledged that the typical black former footballers brain is not wired up to become decent coaches or managers, or racism.
Or maybe its just due to the Managerial merry go-round still spinning round after all these years and its just gonna take a little while longer before the white managers start jumping off allowing a few more black folk a chance to jump on. I mean, teams seem to rather take a chance with the likes of a Mark Hughes, Alan Pardew's etc rather than risk an up or coming black genius.
And why is there no black refs ? oh another story. My shopkeeper is brilliant he is black, my doctor was black, Sammy davis jr fantastic entertainer i would have loved a night out in a pub with him, Diana ross, Richard pryor the list goes on, we are all the same in this world but for some reason are a different colour which to me makes no difference. lets all get on together for god's sake(apart from Newcastle supporters mind !)
Unless you are applying at the BBC if your not coloured or ethnic minority then you have no chance, no matter how qualified you are. same applies now in the fire brigade and police.
My daughter is struggling to get a foot in the door in her chosen career path yet she has left college with 3x A’s (two with double distinction)... She is a single white young woman?!? Prospective employers tell her that she needs more experience... Is she being discriminated against? No, of course not.. it’s life unfortunately. She will get something even if it means lowering her expectations... I suggest some of these ex-footballers do the same!! It’s all about ‘where’ you are prepared to start! Rant Over !!!!!!
It's an interesting topic and I'd like to know the truth of it. Black people make better runners on the whole, do white people make better football managers? Don't see why that would be the case. But it's either that or fairly blatant institutionalised racism and I can't see that being the case either.
Chris Hughton is black. So is that guy at West Brom who has done canny. I believe if guys are good enough they'll get a chance regardless of what their skin colour is. I can't believe club owners are sitting there, with the money involved in football now, thinking I'm not having that black man at my club.
I wonder about Macclesfield Town maybe wanting to sack their manager, Sol Campbell, but are having to be very careful because of the allegations that Campbell would make if they did (based on his historical whingeing about being victimised) They are second bottom of the fourth division, with a very real chance of relegation to the Conference, therefore any manager under those circumstances could be considered to have been not very good/up to the job, and losing that job could be in the minds of the heirarchy there. I'd be surprised if the gaffers there weren't a bit scared to get rid of him in what would probably be a 'no win' situation
The guy at WBA was sacked two weeks ago despite the club being in a play off spot. now that takes some understanding.
Maybe with the players and funds, West Brom, expected to go up automatically. If they removed him because of his skin colour, why give him the job in the first place?
