Off Topic So, what now?

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BCFCRob said:
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BCFCRob said:
With respect, I think you're kidding yourself a bit. Every time I post facts in here you guys come back with either a Daily Mail/Express article or rubbish it as 'Project Fear'. Why not accept at least in part that even the most ardent Brexiteers acknowledge we are about to struggle like **** as a nation. Rees-Mogg said it might take 50 years! And that is the issue. You seemingly don't want to accept the facts you don't like, even when they come from Brexiteers. And that just proves you can't fully know the consequences.

Your second paragraph, yet again, I genuinely admire your viewpoint and you're clearly a decent and patriotic man, but your opinion does not beat the facts. And those with the most facts, are telling us a different story. I trust them.

EDIT: Also, I respect your opinion wiz even if sometimes I come across as if I don't. Sorry if it comes across a little much, but it's a hot topic and nothing personal!



We haven't left the EU yet. Why would there be an economic tsunami?

I ****ing despise Kay Burley but she is partly right. UK bands will find it harder to tour Europe. It will be more expensive and there will be more red tape to do it. Obviously it won't affect The Who because they're enormous. It's pretty low down the list of problems anyways.
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Quite frankly, I don't care about bands touring Europe. There are many more things to be concerned about
 
wizered said:
You are an extremely well informed bloke and to be honest a lot of what you have expressed has made me stop and think, I regard myself as quite well upto date on the present situation but I am not the type of person to get sucked in by the propaganda you espouse, I don't believe in the federal state, I do believe in a common market (trade area) and that was what we voted for in 1973, I voted YES, no politics, no immigration rules, no court of justice etc,etc just TRADE, they lied then and they are lieing now, no old, unelected, over paid, white, male buffoons in Brussels controlling our lives, just equal TRADE.
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I can't argue with this at all. I too disagree with the way it has ballooned. I don't have a problem with what they're doing, but I totally agree that you and I didn't exactly sign up to it as part of the electorate, that's totally fair.

wizered said:
Today I have posted headlines from four sources, BBC, EXPRESS, THE TIMES and POLITICO , not all right wing press by far but you still rubbished every post, I am convinced you are biased, just like me but don't tell me I am a Mail or Express man because you are wrong.

We are both on opposite sides let us continue to agree to disagree in a respectable fashion.
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Yeah fair enough, once again I wasn't referring to you when posting the sources (my fault I know). But with respect, I didn't rubbish The Times or the Politico articles, and the BBC one I totally accept but I just explained why their figures are misleading.

Red Alert said:
Because it was meant to happen as soon as we voted leave. Emergency budgets, economic down turns. Didn't happen.
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That was disputable though (and let's face it our currency has tanked). No one really knew what would happen straight after the vote. But you can see exactly what will happen after a no deal Brexit because the figures are there. WTO rules WILL screw us. It's just common logic that if your products are suddenly more expensive to buy less people will buy them. That's not project fear. You can literally read the rules online.

There's a reason that not a single country on earth trades exclusively on WTO. It's because it's crap.
 
Really good interview here by the way:
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It's with a Brexiteer, someone clearly who knows his stuff and worked on Vote Leave. He echo's everything I've been saying about the Irish border being the sticking point and that getting trade deals is far harder than expected.

I wasn't lying about the Irish border gents. We can't no deal without either accepting illegal immigration or bringing terrorism back into the UK. Pick your favourite!
 
Triple posting I know... but back to the point.

Wtf happens now? It seems to be touch and go as to whether we actually get an extension from the EU, and do we even want it? Is it not just delaying the inevitable?
 
BCFCRob said:
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That was disputable though (and let's face it our currency has tanked). No one really knew what would happen straight after the vote. But you can see exactly what will happen after a no deal Brexit because the figures are there. WTO rules WILL screw us. It's just common logic that if your products are suddenly more expensive to buy less people will buy them. That's not project fear. You can literally read the rules online.

There's a reason that not a single country on earth trades exclusively on WTO. It's because it's crap.
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it was meant to happen. currency goes up and many experts who were proved totally wrong wanted the pound replaced with the euro!!! good job we didn't. You are saying no one really knew what would happen straight after the vote but you are gospel on what will happen after a no deal Brexit!! Youve already been called out on your facts before by others and it was you who didn't read the links and read whats online.
 
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Red Alert said:
it was meant to happen. currency goes up and many experts who were proved totally wrong wanted the pound replaced with the euro!!! good job we didn't. You are saying no one really knew what would happen straight after the vote but you are gospel on what will happen after a no deal Brexit!! Youve already been called out on your facts before by others and it was you who didn't read the links and read whats online.
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johngalleyfan2 said:
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Come on then gents. An example of this please?

You also might want to do a little research. We were not planning to join the Euro at all. Gordon Brown and Tony Blair were against it. Yet another blatant lie by leavers that you guys have just lapped up...
 
BCFCRob said:
Come on then gents. An example of this please?

You also might want to do a little research. We were not planning to join the Euro at all. Gordon Brown and Tony Blair were against it. Yet another blatant lie by leavers that you guys have just lapped up...
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Blair was called out on ITV Breakfast by Piers Morgan about his advice on the Euro and the Iraq war.

Morgon - 'You were wrong about the Iraq war, you were wrong about joining the Euro - what makes you think you're right about Brexit ?
Blair replied - 'I don't'.

Prior to that question Blair was his usual squirming self, but hey you believe what you want - as I will.
 
BCFCRob said:
We were not planning to join the Euro at all. Gordon Brown and Tony Blair were against it. Yet another blatant lie by leavers that you guys have just lapped up...
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You also might want to do a little research before calling people liars. Tony Blair wanted to join the Euro. Gordon Brown devised the five tests. The UK did not meet that standard.
 
Cliftonville said:
You also might want to do a little research before calling people liars. Tony Blair wanted to join the Euro. Gordon Brown devised the five tests. The UK did not meet that standard.
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Well Ed Balls seems to think otherwise. The five tests never came to fruition. Doesn't really sound like a government desperate to join the Euro does it?

Have you come up with a border solution yet?

johngalleyfan2 said:
that's like telling a breeze block he is a brick!
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Great banter coming from you.
 
BCFCRob said:
Well Ed Balls seems to think otherwise. The five tests never came to fruition. Doesn't really sound like a government desperate to join the Euro does it?

Have you come up with a border solution yet?
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The point people (several) made was Tony Blair was wrong. Totally wrong. The five tests were used. The assessments were used to thwart Tony Blairs desire. People are not making this up.

In regards to the backstop there has been mention of a default backstop - An interim period - special measures as I pointed out before. This could work alongside a EU-UK trade deal meaning no border.
 
Red Alert said:
You don't seem to be able to help yourself. Arrogant and disrespectful time and time again.
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If calling out prominent leaver politicians for being liars is arrogant and disrespectful then how do you really expect us to behave? Should we just be nice to them?

Anyways, a tiny part of me hopes we do leave without a deal next Friday. I mean, if it doesn't happen then we'll never know who was right <laugh>. At least the ensuing ****show in Parliament is quite entertaining.

Out of interest, regardless of your leanings, is there anyone in here that doesn't think May should resign?
 
BCFCRob said:
If calling out prominent leaver politicians for being liars is arrogant and disrespectful then how do you really expect us to behave? Should we just be nice to them?

Anyways, a tiny part of me hopes we do leave without a deal next Friday. I mean, if it doesn't happen then we'll never know who was right <laugh>. At least the ensuing ****show in Parliament is quite entertaining.

Out of interest, regardless of your leanings, is there anyone in here that doesn't think May should resign?
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The fact that she was a remainer never sat comfortably with me and was totally wrong IMO, but as a remainer, I'm not sure anyone else that springs to mind would have done any better..
 
BCFCRob said:
If calling out prominent leaver politicians for being liars is arrogant and disrespectful then how do you really expect us to behave? Should we just be nice to them?
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Youv'e be calling out posters on here all thread. Always a dig despite in your first post???? Saying you would not be rude?? Remain haven't lied? Yes they did project fear was lies as you like to say fact only in this case its not an opinion like you post as facts, it really is a fact. they still lie.
 
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