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  1. lifecheshirewhite

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    She would double public spending and change the tax system to everyone pays 60 pence a week,her maths.<laugh>

    30,000 extra police budgeted at £2.56 and 10,000 extra Doctors for a £5
     
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    No, it's called intelligence, 2020.
     
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    Whooosh straight over his head.<laugh>
     
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    People believe race / racism exists because they've personally chosen to believe it to try and justify their own agenda, they try to use it as a weapon. Part of your own answer is in the part you wrote "why do so many people believe that they do"........you never mentioned everybody, or the whole world.

    The continual use of the words race / racism by those who choose to use it as a weapon has become continually used by the fake news media, this is then used by other people to justify their own particular agenda after continually hearing / reading why, and how certain people are using the terms........we are creatures of habit, but the negatives are also creatures of habit by continually trying to get others to jump on their bandwagon. Happens on here too.

    Race and racism are not deeply ingrained in our history, some, like yourself may say it is, but only after / because the word was created by Leon Trotsky. If Trotsky had not created the term, you'd be totally stuffed and there wouldn't be any racism cos the word wasn't created. Before the race / racist words were created by Trotsky, the world was tribal and had tribal instincts and attitudes. They argued as tribes, they fought as tribes, they called other tribes names, as tribes.

    Allow me to give you a couple of examples of how certain people jump on bandwagon to try and justify their own negative behaviours in order to gain control, power, dominance and shut down the other sides debates / views etc.

    Political correctness..........was never heard of until someone in America decided to make it up to obviously try and justify an argument they were having. Now people all over world jumped on bandwagon to use it to gain some sort of power over someone else............Political correctness does not exist either, except to those who choose to use it as a weapon.............They can't make Political correctness law because they don't know what Political correctness is.

    Everyone has their own perception of what so called Political correctness is.......If they made Political correctness law, they would completely eradicate freedom of speech and freedom of expression, and create a dictatorship that forces people to only speak in certain ways and context............hence why hate speech was created, hence why Islam does not like freedom of speech or expression.

    Hate speech does not exist, except in the minds of those who choose to use it as a weapon, basically, like you and few others are doing towards me.

    Not every country has hate speech laws, but those that do interpret it differently, ie, perception of hate speech is different in every country. America does not have hate speech laws, their freedom of speech, freedom of expression is protected by the first amendment.

    The EU adopted the term in 2008, their aim was mainly in favour migrants and their open border policy. Countries who join/ed the EU have / had to include hate speech laws, as dictated by the EU.

    Scotland's hate speech laws differ to England's hate speech laws.......I might be wrong, but I think it was Sadiq Khan who introduced hate speech laws to England, main aim, to try and stop people expressing their views and opinions on Islam, but it got out of control.........now some people claim a hate speech crime if someone calls them fat.............Should I claim a hate speech crime cos you called me racist......you nonce.

    Racism, PC, hate speech, feminism are all non existent except to those who choose to use them as a weapon, and they only do so when they are losing an argument / debate or their negative agenda is being eroded.

    Races cannot exist as a biological reality. Biology is the study of living organisms.

    You wrote,

    ‘If races do not exist as a biological reality, why do so many people still believe that they do? In fact, even though biological races do not exist, the concept of race obviously is still a reality, as is racism...........you make no sense.

    First you ask a question like Biological races exist, then you follow it with a question claiming other people believe Biological races exist, then you follow it with a statement claiming Biological races don't exist..........you don't make sense, it's impossible to have a biological race.

    There is only one race on this planet, the Human Race, if there is only one race on this planet, there cannot be racism, unless you literally hate all of mankind like Islam does. They want to eradicate the Jews, eradicate the white man, kill all homosexuals, including lesbians, tranny's etc etc. They want to take over all the countries in the world and plant their Sharia Law as the only law of the world..........So, who's really being so called racist?

    Am I, and billions of others around the world all racist cos we recognise the threat Islam brings to the world; I think you're in a small minority dbc, and I suspect you're a Muslim, or a Muslim wannabe.

    Islamophobia cannot be claimed as racist, a phobia is a fear. To fear someone, or something is not being racist. Fear, like hate and dislike, are natural, and normal expressions of feelings by individuals, communities, groups or countries.........Some countries around Vlad Dracul's country feared Dracula, does that mean they're racist against vampires?


    Do all the crosses on the hills in Bavaria and Romania mean they're also racist against Vampires?

    You wrote,
    "And use the search function on here to a couple of weeks ago which was the last time you posted that bullshit that Lenin created the word racist and you’ll see the last time that I posted the evidence that he didn’t"............but you didn't put it on here after making all those statements, you were jumping up and down to have a go at me and prove me wrong and you had a great opportunity, but failed to deliver...why is that?

    By the way, I've also recently posted a similar video about Trotsky creating the word racist / racism.....I never mentioned Lenin......Trotsky hated Lenin.


    You say you don't claim white people are racist (doesn't exist), yet you claim Islamophobia is racism........you talk ****e, you're even confusing yourself.

    Me racist!! (doesn't exist)

    I've posted this before on here, some may remember.

    4 of my best friends are Muslims from Turkey, they are aware of my stance on Islam, even they laugh and joke about Islam as well; oops, they're being racist. Some of my best friends in Army were black, some of my best friends at school were black. Players in the football teams I played in were black........am I racist?

    I've dated English girls, Scottish girls, Welsh and Irish girls, I've also dated Italian, German, Australian, Greek, American girls, and a Japanese girl ........does that make me racist?.

    Putting it plainly, you ain't got a clue what you're talking about dbc.
     
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  5. Eric Le Merde

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    Racism

    The terms racist and racism have a long and storied history that predate Trotsky. ‘Raciste’ and ‘racisme’ crop up regularly in the works of late-19th and early-20th century French agitators, while their English language counterparts first appeared in the Oxford English Dictionary in 1902.

    The Oxford English Dictionary's first recorded utterance of the word racism was by a man named Richard Henry Pratt in 1902. Pratt was railing against the evils of racial segregation.

    Race Oxford Dictionary
    Noun
    • Each of the major divisions of humankind, having distinct physical characteristics.

      ‘people of all races, colours, and creeds’
      1. mass noun The fact or condition of belonging to a racial division or group; the qualities or characteristics associated with this.

      2. A group of people sharing the same culture, history, language, etc.; an ethnic group.
        ‘we Scots were a bloodthirsty race then’

      3. A group or set of people or things with a common feature or features.
        ‘the upper classes thought of themselves as a race apart’

      4. Biology A population within a species that is distinct in some way, especially a subspecies.
        ‘people have killed so many tigers that two races are probably extinct
      5. (in non-technical use) each of the major divisions of living creatures.
        ‘a member of the human race’
        ‘the race of birds’


      6. literary A group of people descended from a common ancestor.
        ‘a prince of the race of Solomon’

      7. archaic mass noun Ancestry.
        ‘two coursers of ethereal race’
    Usage
    In recent years, the associations of race with the ideologies and theories that grew out of the work of 19th-century anthropologists and physiologists has led to the use of the word race itself becoming problematic. Although still used in general contexts, it is now often replaced by other words which are less emotionally charged, such as people(s) or community

    Origin
    Early 16th century (denoting a group with common features): via French from Italian razza, of unknown ultimate origin.

    Even if a word doesn't exist it doesn't mean that the phenomena doesn't. Neutrons existed before we found them and so did Uranus. Depression didn't just get invented with the word.
     
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  6. LeedsLover

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    I'm aware of the quote by Col Richard Henry Pratt back on 1902, it's on a video on youtube.

    Trotsky was born in 1879 and assassinated in 1940 in Mexico.

    He coined the phrase Rasisti, which means racist. Many believe he coined the phrase which basically means what it means today.

    Taken from Wikipedia.

    Origin of the term[edit]
    How and when the term racism first gained widespread adoption is debated. There are isolated uses of the term racism from c. 1900, with the first recorded use in 1902 in a quote by Richard Henry Pratt.[15] Other terms like racialist (1910), racialism (1882), race hatred (19c) and negrophobia (19c) were in use even earlier.[16] The term Racism itself entered widespread use in 1936.[17]

    While most early use of the word was in the context of Nazi Theories, some point to Leon Trotsky's early use of the word as evidence the term has widespread origins as a political weapon used by far-left Communist ideologues in order to create division. A theory predictably popularized by online wingnut vanguards and 'race realists' such as Stefan Molyneux.[18] It is based on the fact that, in 1930, Trotsky used the word "rasisti" in his text The History of the Russian Revolution,[19] and the term "racism" appears to have gained widespread use later in the same decade.[20]

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    There are references to the word race being used by the French just prior to Trotsky creating racist, it is said he took his word from the French word Raciste, which meant nationals.

    As shown by Wikipedia, there are variations of the word at different times, I'm sure the Israelites had their words for the Egyptians too. The variations depend on the meanings or definitions at the time.

    A car was called an automobile before it became a car, a pram was called a perambulator before it became a pram. I'm sure you know what I'm saying.

    Trotsky coined his word based on hatred, power, dictatorship and division, and is still used today with the same meaningful intent. Take note of the words "non conformists", then think about those who are claiming / accusing those of us who are the non conformists.

    I might be wrong, but weren't all the dissenters / or non conformists to the communist IDEOLOGY white Russians, same as the Russian communists?

    If so, does it beg the question, who actually added skin colour to the meaning of the word Racist?

    We know there is only one race of people on this planet, that's fact, so why did they use the word race knowing, even back then there was only one race on the planet.............it is food for thought, as is the debate of the actual meanings back then.

    Could it be back then that someone coined the phrase, taken from the words "Human Race" because Red Indians had a different culture, same goes for the Asians, Africans, Eskimos, Latinos etc etc...........but today we know they were wrong, even if they didn't at the time.

    Reference Biology,

    biology
    /bʌɪˈɒlədʒi/
    noun
    1. the study of living organisms, divided into many specialized fields that cover their morphology, physiology, anatomy, behaviour, origin, and distribution.
      • the plants and animals of a particular area.
        "the biology of the Chesapeake Bay"
      • the physiology, behaviour, and other qualities of a particular organism or class of organisms.
        "human biology"
    When I was at school, and I'm sure when you were at school, Biology was about dissecting frogs, worms, Plants etc.

    It would seem you've misunderstood the word Biology Eccers, the actual answer is in the paragraphs you chose to try and prove me wrong.

    • Biology A population within a species that is distinct in some way, especially a subspecies.
      ‘people have killed so many tigers that two races are probably extinct
    • (in non-technical use) each of the major divisions of living creatures.
      ‘a member of the human race’
      ‘the race of birds’
     
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    Janice Atkins reveals what it cost the British taxpayer per year to be in the EU.

     
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    Absolutely, biology is a population within a species i.e a race i.e "people have killed so many tigers that two races are probably extinct" and 1902 is before 1927 so Trotsky didn't "invent" the word but probably was the first to use it as a weapon. A word doesn't create a phenomena it merely provides a common, standard way of describing it.
     
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    There’s a simple solution, leave the EU. Oh wait <whistle><laugh>
     
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    If my memory serves me correctly in the days of Ancient Rome if you were not a Roman you were classed as being a barbarian by the Romans, this could be termed as racist.
    Just a thought for those who think racist is a modern invention.
     
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    So you realised what you did wrong by posting the meanings of Biology, well done son. Also, you worked out what the meanings of Biology, or what your paragraph actually meant.

    Trotsky created his word based on the French word Raciste, which meant National. I doubt Trotsky would've known who Col Pratt was, or said, even though Trotsky spent some time in England.

    Trotsky created his word, rasisti (racist) through hate, dictatorship, power and division. It's from Trotsky's word that people today are using it with the same meaning.

    A word can have different meanings and definitions in different countries and languages, which is true, even today. You should know that being in Australia.

    While a word does not create a phenomena, agreed, it doesn't necessarily create a common, standard way of describing it. As mentioned, countries and people have different perceptions of happenings, phenomena etc, so they describe it based on their culture, beliefs and values.

    The fact that the professional researchers only came up with a few instances of the word race, racism, it tells you it was rarely, if ever, used to describe a person's attitude towards other peoples / cultures. He created his word with a totally different meaning to what the other instances mentioned, which is why many attribute him to creating the word Racist.

    Let's agree to leave it at that Eccers, I love a good debate, if it is an actual debate, but we're both at the end of the street. I don't want a reason to label you as part of the usual suspects.........:emoticon-0148-yes:
     
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    To be honest LL you can label me if you want, it's probably wrong and in my opinion inappropriate. People are complicated and their opinions change given circumstances and gained experience, todays snowflake can be tomorrows warrior. Just stay open to listening to people and gain knowledge from many diverse places and you wont go too far wrong.
     
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    PS Col Pratt, who is credited with the use of the word racism in 1902 was American and the French word raciste actually means racist and apparently is based on the Italian razza, according to the Oxford Dictionary
     
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    Posted that to just point out how ridiculous it is to say that posting links to YouTube videos then counts as some kind of overwhelming evidence to justify a point.
     
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    <laugh><laugh><laugh><laugh> You little tinker eric
     
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    Moi !?
     
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    Thanks for proving the point I made (albeit in a very long winded way) that you obviously hadn’t read the article I posted as you keep saying I wrote when actually I just copied and pasted to quote from the relevant conclusion of the article.

    I’m not sure how to make this simpler for you but let’s try - yes it’s impossible to have a biological difference in races but it’s not impossible for people to think there are.

    Have you managed to get that concept? That people can believe something that doesn’t scientifically exists - do you need examples for this?

    Therefore if people believe something that doesn’t exist it’s possible for them to act on these beliefs. So acting on them makes it a real problem.

    There is no race difference between black and white people. (Not real)

    People do believe there are differences. (Really happens)

    There is apartheid. (Really happened)

    See?

    And yes I mixed up my Leon and Lenin apologies but...

    And as for the last question yes you are racist - saying they want to eridacte the Jews, they want to eradicate the white man - What, every Muslim wants to do that.......? Or have you just grouped together a mass of individuals, assigned something to them and spewed hatred on them accordingly.

    ‘But’ and ‘Some of my best friends are....’ are usual pretty good signifiers that someone’s about to unload some racist bullshit.
     
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    OH NO, Britain agrees 30 Billion quid trade deal with Iceland and Norway before Brexit exit date.

    There's 3 other trade deals also agreed.

    Who would've thunk it hey.

     
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    Get real, Eric!
     
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    On the back of Bercow blocking a third vote on May's Brexit deal, unless it is substantially changed, Merkel now comes out and tells May to stop playing games.

    Talk is T May maybe ousted by Monday as she pens a letter to the EU asking for a short delay in the Brexit exit..

     
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