I think that what is worse is the ‘limbo’. We are in a ‘half way’ situation, which is terrible for businesses.
The UK GDP in 2017 was $2.3tn, with 44% of exports reliant on the EU. The EU (without UK) GDP in 2017 was $13.1tn, with 7.7% of exports reliant on the UK. The EU sells 4 times as much as us, and relies on us far less. Who really needs the other the most? Nobody who is taken seriously thinks we will be better off. Not one person. Facts for you. Brexiteers in a nutshell...
Brexit would hit the Dutch economy hard: https://www.politico.eu/article/rep...eu-referendum-ten-billion-euros-leave-remain/
Just to put it into perspective, that report describes the impact of 10bn Euros being lost. Do you know how much of our trade goes to the EU? Over 1 THOUSAND bn Euros. Obviously we won't lose all of it but all of it will be impacted. Though I fully expect you to read that and somehow think that the Netherlands will be ****ed and we will be fine. Somehow.
My point is I am fed up of all the **** being thrown at the UK, there are headlines about EU economies we never see, so I thought I would whack up a few today, 100.000 plus job losses in Germany, 50.000 job losses in France, 20.000 in Holland and Belgium, businesses closing down all over France and the Benelux countries, fishing, maritime and agriculture causing major concerns in France,Portugal and Spain, tourism concerns all over Southern Europe and Ireland is among the most concerned, because of its extensive and deep economic links to the U.K. especially it's oil, gas and electricity industies, Germany in recession amd expecting more to come. https://www.politico.eu/article/bre...s-revealed-by-eu-report-phase-2-negotiations/ Today I have tried to show in a small way the other side are ****ting themselves and we are as stong as they are, just look at our job figures, if we stand tall and our MP's and prick of a speaker were to put the UK and it's majority voters first the eu would run a mile.
It would be nice if you could extol the virtues and strengths of our own nation instead of doubting our capabilities at every argument.
Good points Wiz - and valid. I still don’t think the gamble is worth it though. Not yet anyway. If it actually happens then i’ll be praying it turns out ok - a bit like if I bet my house on a horse then I will hope for all my life that it wins - and will celebrate like fk if it does - although I probably shouldn’t have bet it in the first place - but once it has been bet then there’s no going back !!!!
They are. I have never once disagreed with you on that point. Ever. The EU will struggle without us. You can have a song and a dance as much as you like about the UK being great and all that. But we are less than a fifth of the size of the EU in GDP. They absolutely tower over us economically. Our jobs we are creating are low-skilled and low-paying. We are not prepared for this. 95% of academics and economists believe the UK will be severely disrupted. Do you think they're just doing for the banter? Or lying for a laugh? Too many people believe the Mail and the Express because it supports what they want to support and in doing so completely ignore the facts. I do wonder what it would take for you to actually accept that the UK economy is going to get ****ed from this. How much proof do you need? If the most clever people in the country are telling you something, and you still refuse to believe it, does that not make you at least a bit narrow-minded?
Be interested to see what they are scoring jobs on. From what I’ve heard if you’ve got a paper round they claim that as working now. Not arguing but they’ve claimed for a while now we are in lowest unemployment for a while but when dug deeper it’s not as great as people are led to believe. I’ve said for a while, I don’t want another referendum. As far as I’m concerened it’s done. Now it’s time to move on, but let’s be realist. We are not a back bone hard let’s get together and work through it nation. We are filled with PC generation who half the ****ers don’t know that if your born with a penis you’re a male if you’re born with a fanny you’re a female. If you choose to be the other fine but you choose female or male not non gender. That’s the type of generation we are in. Next they will want to be known as a cat or a dog. The worlds gone mad.
Can you not understand, people like me don't want to be a member of a federal superstate, people like me are in the majority when we voted leave, people like me are both left and right but we all voted leave, you are making the mistake of telling people like me we are not capable of knowing the truth and deciding for ourselves, we are a bit thick and narrow minded, people like me have the ability to think for ourselves, we are highly principled, we all knew the consequences of leaving the EU but think the price is worth paying. Academics and economists are fine in the right place, so are fishermen and farmers and I trust them more, you are entitled to your opinion mate but I simply don't agree, I think, in fact I know the principle of hardwork is something I believe in and I think the UK with all of it's different peoples has buckets of it and I know in a very short period, devoid of all of the Euro babble our nation would soar and that's not a song and dance act.
That's not in the rules remember project fear we should have had an emergency budget and a economic tsunami by now. A few days ago project fear puppet Kay Burley of sky news tried to tell Roger Daltrey that UK bands won't be able to tour Europe after Brexit. **** you not.
It’s out of all our hands now. We simply need to sit back and trust our politicians to deliver. Ooeerrr!!!!
We were supposed to be doomed by now , we were going to need a budget even if we had the temerity to vote leave , that didn’t happen , we were supposed to be in all sorts of trouble by now, that hasn’t happened, so why should we believe the doom and gloom merchants when they say how bad it will be , they’ve been wrong so far . It’s an unknown, people , me included , are a bit scared of the unknown. I’m beginning to think that leaving now would be preferable, the uncertainty of dragging it out could well be more damaging than cutting and running now and making trade deals from outside the EU. John Bercow has put the cat amongst the pigeons, seems Mays compromise deal is dead, so now it’s either No deal, or No Brexit. None of which are ideal, but if we lose Brexit the damage to democracy will be difficult to mend, I really don’t think the politicians have a clue.
With respect, I think you're kidding yourself a bit. Every time I post facts in here you guys come back with either a Daily Mail/Express article or rubbish it as 'Project Fear'. Why not accept at least in part that even the most ardent Brexiteers acknowledge we are about to struggle like **** as a nation. Rees-Mogg said it might take 50 years! And that is the issue. You seemingly don't want to accept the facts you don't like, even when they come from Brexiteers. And that just proves you can't fully know the consequences. Your second paragraph, yet again, I genuinely admire your viewpoint and you're clearly a decent and patriotic man, but your opinion does not beat the facts. And those with the most facts, are telling us a different story. I trust them. EDIT: Also, I respect your opinion wiz even if sometimes I come across as if I don't. Sorry if it comes across a little much, but it's a hot topic and nothing personal! We haven't left the EU yet. Why would there be an economic tsunami? I ****ing despise Kay Burley but she is partly right. UK bands will find it harder to tour Europe. It will be more expensive and there will be more red tape to do it. Obviously it won't affect The Who because they're enormous. It's pretty low down the list of problems anyways.
You are an extremely well informed bloke and to be honest a lot of what you have expressed has made me stop and think, I regard myself as quite well upto date on the present situation but I am not the type of person to get sucked in by the propaganda you espouse, I don't believe in the federal state, I do believe in a common market (trade area) and that was what we voted for in 1973, I voted YES, no politics, no immigration rules, no court of justice etc,etc just TRADE, they lied then and they are lieing now, no old, unelected, over paid, white, male buffoons in Brussels controlling our lives, just equal TRADE. Today I have posted headlines from four sources, BBC, EXPRESS, THE TIMES and POLITICO , not all right wing press by far but you still rubbished every post, I am convinced you are biased, just like me but don't tell me I am an a Mail or Express man because you are wrong. We are both on opposite sides let us continue to agree to disagree with mutual respect.
