The official all things terrorism thread

No idea of anything after the lad came home, he did say the hatred towards the Aborigines was shocking as well though.

He once sent me an E-mail saying he had got a job "burying black boys", I thought for a while he meant Aborigines but it turned out that was the Ausi term for planting a type tuber


(weird Aussis)

 

From Dec 2018.

Counter terrorism police in the West Midlands have revealed the growing threat of right wing extremists in the region. The revelations came from the head of West Midlands Counter Terrorism Unit, Detective Chief Superintendent Matt Ward, in an interview with Sky News. He said combating the "frenzy of hatred" from far-right extremists is now "the fastest growing" part of his officers' jobs. "The extreme right-wing probably makes up around a fifth of what we do at the moment, so quite a significant proportion and continuing to grow.”

"Certainly over the past two years it is the one area where we have seen more activity taking place."

A recent big case involving the region's anti terrorism officers involved six neo-Nazis jailed for being members of the banned group National Action who were trying to start a race war in the UK by spreading extreme right wing ideology.

At the time of their sentencing in December 2018 police said the six were part of a "dangerous, well-structured organisation" and as well as planning race hate had gathered weapons and had a clear strategy to radicalise others.

Daniel Bogunovic, aged 27 of Crown Hills Rise, Leicester, Adam Thomas, aged 22, and 38-year-old Claudia Patatas - both of Waltham Gardens, Banbury, Oxfordshire - were all jailed at Birmingham Crown Court (Tuesday December 18). Joel Wilmore, aged 24 of Bramhall Moor Lane, Stockport, Darren Fletcher, aged 28 of Kitchen Lane, Wednesfield, Wolverhampton and Nathan Pryke, aged 27 of Dartford Road, March, Cambridge, all previously admitted their membership and were jailed.

Following sentencing, Detective Chief Superintendent Matt Ward, head of West Midlands Counter Terrorism Unit (WMCTU), said: "These sentences are the culmination of two years of painstaking work in the West Midlands and across the country to recognise and understand the threat of National Action.

Statistics show how nationally in 2018 more white people were arrested on suspicion of terrorism offences than those from Asian backgrounds.

DCS Ward said: "Some of the groups we are seeing are across central and eastern Europe at the moment and are inspiring individuals within our own community.

"People get frustrated when they see other different political groups having protests or making statements and they sort of funnel each other into this kind of frenzy of hatred that we are seeing.

"Our job is to stop that wherever and whenever we can."

He added: "Counter terrorism policing only works when we have got a strong local policing base to connect and engage with.

"I think anything that puts pressure on neighbourhood policing is going to impede our ability to keep communities safe from terrorism."


From the Crown Prosecution Service website…

Where appropriate, offences can be charged as having 'a terrorist connection'. This can lead to some confusion about whether the person convicted is deemed a terrorist as they are not charged with an offence under terrorism legislation.

Schedule 2 of Counter-Terrorism Act 2008 contains a list of offences which a judge could conclude have 'a terrorist connection'. These include charges such as murder or causing an explosion. For example, the killings of Lee Rigby and Jo Cox MP were charged as murder but both amounted to a terrorism offence and those responsible for the 21/7 bombings were charged with conspiracy to cause explosions, which also amounted to terrorism offences. In all of these cases those convicted are considered terrorists, because even though they are covered by different legislation than the Terrorism Acts, the crimes committed clearly had terrorist aims. Section 30 of Counter-Terrorism Act 2008 imposes special custodial sentences for offenders of particular concern who have committed offences under Schedule 2. Certain serious violent and terrorist offenders will not be entitled to automatic release at the half way point of their sentence and will only be released early if they do not present a risk to the public.


Jo Cox’s case…

Mair had a long history of mental health problems though he was declared sane in the moment of the crime. After his arrest, he was examined by a psychiatrist who found no evidence that Mair's mental health was so impaired that he could not be held responsible for his conduct.

On 18 June 2016, asked to confirm his name in Westminster Magistrate Court, Mair said, "My name is death to traitors, freedom for Britain". His lawyers said there was no indication of how he would plead.

At a bail hearing on 20 June, the judge remanded Mair in custody until a hearing to be held "under terrorism related protocols". At the next hearing on 23 June, the judge said the case would be handled as part of "the terrorism case management list", on which cases related to terrorism as defined by the Terrosim Act 2000 are placed.

Witnesses testified that during the attack, Mair had cried out "This is for Britain", "keep Britain independent", and "Put Britain first".

Mair was sentenced to life imprisonment; the judge said he had no doubt Mair murdered Cox to advance a political, racial, and ideological cause—that of violent white supremacism and exclusive nationalism most associated with Nazism and its modern forms.

Mair had links to far-right political groups including the National Front and the English Defence League; he had attended far-right gatherings and purchased far-right publications. He had Nazi regalia, far-right books, and information on the construction of bombs. A police official described Mair as a "loner in the truest sense of the wordwho never held down a job, never had a girlfriend and never had any friends"

It's not simply racism (the odd bloke at the pub calling someone a darky), or just individuals working alone, or simply a reaction to extremist muslim terrorism. It's not always obvious that they're associated with organised Far Right groups, that they're not part of, or being influenced by a network of groups. And it's not so obvious they are terrorists. We read a newspaper article about a bloke with a baseball bat and a knife trying to kill someone and write it off as some nutter. The cases above are just examples of how naive that is. Denial won’t change it or make it go away I’m afraid. For me, trust in what the counter-terrorism police is doing is non-negotiable. Fck knows what information they have on him or discovered since his arrest that none of us know about. They may turn around and say it's nowt, but until then they should be do all they can to tackle this growing problem. Who knows it may prevent another terrorist attack somewhere.

 

Or to put things in perspective.

Muslims make up 5% of the UK population but have murdered way more than the remaining 95% of the population put together through terrorist attacks .

#DISPROPORTIONATE

What is the body count for white supremacists attacking Muslims?

1 dead if you count the poor old guy that was having a heart attack during the Osbourne van attack and he wasn't a White supremacist.

Compared to 7/7 Rigsby the London Bridge attacks the Westminster attack the Manchester pop concert attacks .

 

Since Steven Lawrence 96 people have been killed by right wingers in hate crimes. More if courts had decided that was main motive.


Wonder how many percent make up right wingers and why these crimes are not high profile

Prevent says more risk from right wingers now than Islamic extremists

Number of arrests with right wingers having made dirty bombs and ready to act on the increase

 

Not see the documentary but been reading one of the Twitter threads on it. Amid the 100's blaming the parents, exonerating the parents, blaming the government, commenting on the child neglect were these absolute crackers:

 

There seem to be some very fuzzy lines on the "sides" going on.

Some are arguing of whites v blacks, which as muslims come in many hues, and can themselves be racist, betrays the prejudice of those arguing it.

Some are arguing far right v...well who exactly? Surely if it's far right, it's political, so presumably the muslims are far left?

See me, I condemn all of the murdering cowards who claim it's in the name of some twisted ideology, with no exceptions or whataboutery.

Oh, and for those wanting facts..
https://assets.publishing.service.g.../police-powers-terrorism-dec2018-hosb0519.pdf

 

She must be far left too.

 

Anyone else surprised at the lack of minutes silence over the weekend?

 

Wasn't it held at the rugby? I didn't watch much football so can't say.

 

No PL/FAC/EFL games had anything, think all the egg chasing games might have.

Just found it odd as we have minutes silence/applause for everything these days... didn't PL clubs play the French national anthem pre game after Paris?

 

In the same way that white people are expected to take responsibility for far right fascist terrrorists you mean? Oh wait......

The temerity of the man given the anti Muslim bile his papers have been churning out for years.

 

Where do you get this ****? Since 2000, 126 people in the UK have died in terror attacks including far right. An average of 7 per year. Between 600 and 700 people are murdered every year.

 

They hoover up propaganda, don't fact check it and then regurgitate it to spread the message. The stupid and the bigoted jump on board.

 

I'd like to think it was an oversight. Still piss poor considering how many black and ethnic minority including Muslims play the professional game.

 

I guess we will see with the International matches this week !

 

I thought it was sarcasm? Surely if 5% Muslim population killed the rest of the 95% population everyone else would be dead?

 

He said they've murdered more than everyone else, not they'd killed everyone