well to put it bluntly the murder charges are the one soldier F will be worrying about as saville found "no doubt" in those cases and just "highly probable" in the others. If you are that interested suggest you read the link i put up with particular reference to the leadership of that squad.
We've had 47 years of enquiries. It's going round in circles. Some old fella maybe charged, for things he may or not have done. But in the meantime, known bombers, killers, shooters, etc have been given pardon. It sucks, and i hope not another person joins up, they have a recruit problem, why join an Army etc where you get stabbed in the back?
I really don't want to get into this with you for obvious reasons - ones I hugely respect on your side. I was referring to the points made on the clip Dmd shared which I thought were relevant.
Yeah fair enough - this one was pretty enlightening though. But I'm bailing out on this one because I genuinely don't want to fall out with you over this issue. For what it's worth I don't think we would but I'm not taking that risk
Difference being mate. I spent a long time, boots on the ground in that place. I'm sure you'll understand my point of view, and why i distain many views.
I;m trying really hard to understand other views, i am reading them. But it boils my piss mate at times. **** the Army **** the Navy, **** the RAF, **** the Marines. **** the lot of them. Let you ****s do it. (not you personally)
Perhaps if you listened to the link and discussed it, you could just find why you're grabbing the wrong end of some sticks.
I understand that entirely. It's nowhere near the same but as a civil servant working on Brexit I have similar feelings - it's all our fault but no other ****er steps up to the plate. I'd ****ing love to meet you for a beer one day - we can plan the revolution because we have the best ideas for the new national anthem if there was ever going to be one.
I could, but from a different perspective to yours and I don't think it'd add much to a conversation about the goings on that day, but what I've shared are the few snippets I've picked up, and I've clearly said I'm no expert or have no real knowledge on the events of that day. I'm interested in learning more about it. What I haven't done is dismissed your view or called either side.
Maybe i will be out of order on this subject fella. But i have my own, strong views, one;s i won't back down from I am like you and the rest, about Bloody Sunday, we have only seen it on tv, and the net, so we are all experts. I only know a later time, being 88 my time time, when those 2 daft ****ers got killed.
I understand why you feel as you do, and I have no intention of stirring anything up on the subject. I'm simply interested in learning a bit more about something I've very limited knowledge of.
I think you shouldn't take it so personally mate. Like i said i think our soldiers do a grand job, and certainly wouldn't insult them. But my brain asks questions about everything, and people see that as a given of disagreement or agreement to a situation, it's not! I try to understand why a terrorist becomes a terrorist, much the same as a freedom fighter. We were born human, not terrorists, and i like to delve into what causes certain mindsets. Likewise, I try to understand soldiers when things go terribly wrong, that's not a judgement, again it's understanding the reaction of human nature and again the changes in emotion that causes someone to pull a trigger. I asked a question yesterday, not one that anyone could really answer, so technically it makes it an interesting question...when does a soldier become a terrorist, when does it cross the line, I used Nigeria as an extreme prime example today. I also referred to the meaning of the word that stems from latin and it's use in the main after the French revolution in 1792 and the use of the word in the 'Red Terror' - Russian Civil War 1918. Actually Terror and Terrorism do have two completly different meanings and could be attached to many a situation aside from the definition. I've always been interested in what makes a terrorist a terrorist. Hence why i took such an interest in the Begum case, aside from the tom foolery, think of it like a form of brain washing. Think of the Hitler Youth. We have weak minds as humans, we think we think volutarily but we don't - we are easy persuaded and easy guided if the right techniques are applied and the internet is good at harvesting ideologies. You think like a soldier and protect your comrades because you was trained as a soldier. You will have witnessed situations that imbed those loyalities. But a terrorist is not a lot different but just more extreme, more violent, because they have no sense of law and order. When law and order breaks down so can a human reaction to a situation. Meaning, soldiers don't intend to be terrorists, but through the volatile events of a situation, can inadvetedly become one. I give you the Middle East as a prime example, we removed the evil lynchpin, and opened pandora's box.
It was very complex. The stop and search was interesting . Some never more than a few a day. However, as you like to read.Read about the Murphy family cross border scam. Also leaders of the South Armagh brigade.. Anything else you''d like to know, just ask, with in reason.
