Remember in the US they have a lengthy appeals process where the prisoner has up to four appeals meaning that it can take up to 15 years between sentencing and execution - and that's not counting the times where someone on Death Row can remember other murders they committed and withhold details, knowing that will lead to a potential stay of execution while the new case is investigated (in the case of the suddenly relevant again Ted Bundy it was known as the "bones-for-time" scheme as he did this on several occasions) On the other hand the Chinese method, or at least the one from the 90s, probably the most barbaric: once you're sentenced you're taken out back and shot in the head, and within the hour the nearest hospital would happily announce they found a heart for transplant, which would be a tad awkward in the cases of a miscarriage of justice... Actually the Japanese one's pretty bad as well, as they never give a date for execution, which means the prisoners can spend years expecting they'll be headed to the gallows every time the jailer opens the door to their cell
That’s an entirely different discussion. We’re comparing the cost of incarceration with the death penalty. Umm no. The entire US system
DNA tests can be rigged, tainted or just implicate the wrong person. They still have a human error element. Here's one example: https://www.smh.com.au/world/condemned-to-death-man-executed-on-wrong-dna-20101112-17q7i.html
They are open to corruption certainly, but if I had the choice of 30 years inside for a crime that I didn't commit, or a bullet, I'd take the bullet.
They probably do but a private business running a prison isn’t at liberty to publish their accounts. And once a prisoner is under the supervision of a private corporation, I’m pretty sure they’re no longer a cost to the public purse under a “technicality”. That’s the beauty of capitalism. I think they call it creative accounting.
Which is why the death penalty isn't a deterrent. It's more expensive, allows the criminal to escape punishment, doesn't stop people from committing crime and results in innocents being killed. What's good about it?
I think PNP is right. They’ll keep her there until this is done, one way or another. She’s lost control of the whole process now anyway. It’s in parliament’s hands. They’ll bin her as soon after as they can though.
Poor girl, I like her but she's been brainwashed by the hyper middle to right wing Christian upbringing she had. It was always out of her hands, she never stood a chance.
So we all agree the criminals have rights then .sorry pnp we'll have to disagree on this one no offence meant but terrorists who are caught on cctv red handed etc have no right to live
Respectfully, I think it is important to not be reactive and overtly emotional when assessing situations like this. Understandably, it is hard not to be, especially when you're part of a twisted death cult that has caused harm and damage to thousands of people worldwide. But when you say "I was 15 I knew right from wrong and to this day never had the urge to join a terrorist group or take another person's life", you need to appreciate that not everyone has the same upbringing, values or innate desires when growing up. In the same way a lot of people can control their alcohol intake, but many others struggle with it. In the same way that some people can control their temper, but others have issues with it, so need counselling/support to combat this. Likewise with arsonists, self-harmers etc. Shamima was clearly conditioned over a long period of time to be the way she was. Who was there to tell her what she was watching was wrong? Look, I don't want to defend her, as I think what she did wasn't acceptable in the slightest and she 100% deserves to be punished. Killing her isn't the solution, though. And it won't stop future things like this happening. Making her stateless isn't either, as it isn't fair to dump a female from our country with the Kurds, Syrians or Iraqis. Why should they have to deal with our mess? Also, and I know some people will roll their eyes when I say this but it is my opinion, I do feel race does come into this somewhat. The amount of people saying "Make her stateless!" or "She can rot with in those jihadist hellholes" on mass scales did not apply to middle-class, Oxford-raised, white male Jack Letts, who joined ISIS and, despite being held by Kurdish authorities currently, still holds both British and Canadian citizenship. There has been no talk or media coverage about his citizenship being revoked by either country, and the uproar that occurred in Shamima Begum's case was nowhere near the level Jack Letts got. I wonder why one case is deemed as being more palatable than the other...
No, if I was locked up for something I hadn't done, I'd feel bitter. If I was locked up for something I had done, I'd think serves you right you bloody idiot.
How is capital punishment expensive? All you need is a rope and a good tree!......What if your mum and dad or siblings were murdered? Give the murderer a round of applause and a season ticket to watch Fulham? I'd want my pound of flesh...…. …..and for God's sake,get those coppers back on the beat. They used to know what was going on on their beat......instead of driving around in their police cars until going home time!
Good reply mate but I'm not looking at it on whether she is this colour or that colour or this religion or that religion I'm looking at it it from a human beings point of view who has family values and doesn't agree with terrorism .There are many people in the world that have more money and power than me but thankfully I was brought up by my parents to live life correctly I have friends who are from all races and walks of life and they like me have no intentions of being terrorists and those people who choose that way of life should face the concequences end of .
