I don't think MPs get 5k per month, not in basci pay. they'd just come up with a scam for extra expenses if you did cut them.
Seen somewhere their basic pay is about 70k and gone up about 15%(might be more) compared to nhs staff that has about 2% over 10 yr period and 3 times lesser as well!! Obvious post i saw was to do with comparision of nhs staff to mps but no idea where i saw it. My mum used to be a nurse so probably something she posted lol. Not exact figures as cant remember them just roughly. Mps would come up with a scam whatever they are paid. So ****ed up this country!!
That much is agreed. There is no majority for a leave without a deal in the commons. A No deal scenario can only happen by accident or if May refuses to do as promised and let it happen by default. But put to the vote, MPs would not let a no deal happen. The only MPs who want a no deal are the ultras of the ERG who are rich and couldn't care less about jobs and the economy. They are only interested in pursuing the ideological purity with no compromise.
I'm all for an extension, but the EU have said they would need a good reason to agree to it. I'm not even sure that 2 weeks would be enough to get 27 nations to agree either, simply on the basis of "please can we have a bit more time but we can't tell you why". The cynic in me says that to solve the problem (AND persist with her deal to go through) May will play the victim in all this and put Her Deal vs Remain back to the public for a vote. She'll be counting on public opinion against Remain to approve hers.
MPs are paid a basic salary of around £70K. In the real world this is not THAT much after deduction of tax and pension contributions etc. BUT they make up for this with a huge allowance of up to £150K which they ALL use to the maximum. It is used to pay for assistants, researchers, admin etc. That is why they employ their husbands, wives, sons and daughters to do these functions. so that in effect their households incomes are very often nearer £220K (£70K +£150K before tax). That amount is quite generous not the £70K .
they get 77,379 May gets 150,402. Corybn gets 136,762 for the record I googled this for you. Fully qualified nurses start on salaries of £22,128 rising to £28,746 on Band 5 of the NHS Agenda for Change Pay Rates. Salaries in London attract a high-cost area supplement. With experience, in positions such as nurse team leader on Band 6,salaries progress to £26,565 to £35,577. you would need to be on band 8d with 4-5 years experience which is in effect the matron/cheift nurse of the entire place. https://blog.jobmedic.co.uk/nurse-banding-uk and https://www.healthcareers.nhs.uk/wo.../nhs-pay-and-benefits/agenda-change-pay-rates highly interesting info out there.
These are pretty modest salaries. The only thing going for them (compared to the higher private sector salaries) is a more generous pension at retirement.
I don't think that's as big a deal as is being made out. Our parliament just looks openly weaker than theirs.
this is why cameron said **** you all and laughed heartily as he headed off for a book deal and speaking tour. the pension is just cream on top for these guys at the top. Cameron lived basically for free for all the years he was PM so soaked up all that salary with no expenses bar of course his wife or his pig or whatever spending it. he is on the us speaking tour and can charge bascially what he likes.
for me the EU are being very very clear. they are saying go if you want. theres terms here you agreed if you want a deal. they are just being nice neighbours and facilitating. they could just as easily say no extension, you are now well past the point of gving time to ratify anything. chuff off now and swing. They won't cos they are actually responsible to their serfs across the union. Plus they know if they upset french truck drivers around calais the whole place will be burned down.
The reality is that both the EU and the UK want a deal. A no deal Brexit is detrimental to both. BUT the EU can afford to sit back and wait. 1. They want a deal sure. But a no deal will be less catastrophic for them than for us despite what the Hard Brexiteers are promoting. 2. On top of all this, the EU can sit tight and give us nothing. Because the possibility of a second referendum and remain is still there. That's the outcome the EU would like most. Why help May to get her deal through when there is an even more desirable prize at the end of the line? 3. Because they would like us to remain, they'll grant us an extension for up to 2 years. Hoping that in that time, the UK will decide that remaining is the best option after all. Many Brexiteers knew in 2016 that to be completely free of the tentacles of the EU they had to come out completely and renegotiate from scratch. Meaning economic hardship for many years. But to say that they would have lost the referendum.
Agreed. I also think we (and I mean the collective rather than you and me), seem to confuse a group of people who (anally perhaps) like to follow a set of rules and regulation, with them deliberately trying to be rude and difficult. They're not. The thing is though, after 40 years of anti-EU tabloid headlines, it's very difficult for the British public to look at it objectively.
The EU IMO: Well It'd be nicer if you stayed and paid our budget... but if not..... then go but stay in union so you obey our laws and regs and pay our budget.... but if not... well pay for access so we have our budget paid.. The reality is they entered negotiations in good faith in 2016 or 2017 when may actually got round to triggering the thing (wasn't she a cocky swine back then ) and they negotiated the back stop and pay off first. We have reneged not once but twice now on the back stop. Then the first one they agreed caused chaos they too kthe UKs own suggestion of a uk wide backstop at face value and we again reneged on it. At no point have the EU ****ed us arund. we have ****ed them around. We must remember here that The withdrawal Deal is simply that. the worst case position from which to start negotiating for future relations. If the UK have reneged twice already... why would they think we will be any better o nthe actual deal? The situation now is do they force us into a zombie state status and hope we don't take 10 years to do a deal OR is it easier push us out with no deal and then hope we implode and come crawling under a new government desperate to do a quick deal. But... as i said they've acted in good faith so why would they do any less now.
Hi chaps. First time poster (Not really). Good to be back. I'll stick to our board and this thread in future. Brb doesn't wander over here does he? Fascist loon.
Has it suddenly got very, very slow on here in terms of posting and receiving messages, or is my computer playing up? I don't remember it like this - like wading through treacle.
Brexit: No 10 confirms May flying to Strasbourg for talks with Juncker, but stresses deal not in bag - Politics live Rolling coverage of the day’s political developments as they happen, including the build-up to tomorrow’s key Brexit vote https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-talks-fail-to-deliver-progress-politics-live
Irony of it all was the majority of leavers were originally immigrants themselves or their parents/grandparents and not the simpletons cheering the result in Sunderland in Nissan that night though even turkeys keep their head around October.
