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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

  • Stay in

    Votes: 56 47.9%
  • Get out

    Votes: 61 52.1%

  • Total voters
    117
  • Poll closed .
I suspect what it proves is that Remainers have cornered the academic market. Most academics I have come across are Remain. They may not be able to tie up their own shoe laces or be commercial or businesslike in any street wise sense, but they can translate Homer's Iliad.

It's why they have a superiority complex, they're so used to talking down to people. Common sense is usually in short supply with those types...
 
I suspect what it proves is that Remainers have cornered the academic market. Most academics I have come across are Remain. They may not be able to tie up their own shoe laces or be commercial or businesslike in any street wise sense, but they can translate Homer's Iliad.
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On another note, I am sad that people need to mock someones education. We can't be all academics. Plenty of people who don't have masses of qualifications still do great jobs and keep this country going. Plenty of white van drivers that seem to get a lot of stick of late, work bloody hard.
Totally agree Goldie with your 'shoe lace' analogy. Sometimes common sense goes a long way. I know plenty of academics and they are great at their chosen subject but couldn't boil an egg.
The test that was posted was more proof that Remainers no matter how intelligent the believe they are, can't respect a democratic result. Furthermore It actually goes deeper than that... it has reduced them to name calling.
I forgot to add...
Maybe these intelligent people should read up on the Dunning-Kruger effect. For those that don't know it was an experiment that basically said that intelligent people don't believe they are that smart and don't brag about it whereas people with a lower intelligence think they are smarter than they actually are.
 
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The Sunday Times backed Leave in the referendum. The Times was pro Remain. This was a Sunday Times story.

I was trying to wind you and other up Ellers, as I would have thought was obvious. And the responses haven’t disappointed.

I would have thought it was obvious too, but they're all such delicate snowflakes.
 
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It's why they have a superiority complex, they're so used to talking down to people. Common sense is usually in short supply with those types...
Agree those intellects couldn't even win a binary referendum.<doh> remember how they handled it... "lets call them thick racists and scare the **** out of them"! The lowest common denominator...(the lowest form of intelligence). They were so intelligent that they couldn't remember that the British don't like bullies. They are so smart that if, there ever was another vote, they wouldn't learn by past mistakes because they lack common sense.
 
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I suspect what it proves is that Remainers have cornered the academic market. Most academics I have come across are Remain. They may not be able to tie up their own shoe laces or be commercial or businesslike in any street wise sense, but they can translate Homer's Iliad.
Remain also cornered the business and professional sectors, where perhaps shoelace tying skills are stronger.

Of course Goldie if you took the test I strongly suspect you came out as Remain, as I reckon you can do basic mental calculations. And of course this is a reflection of your life opportunities and education, not your innate intelligence. All it shows is how good you are at taking the test, not your reasoning to vote one way or another. What I found most interesting about it was the incoherent responses of Farage (Remain voters have higher IQs but can’t boil eggs and run businesses? Business is overwhelmingly Remain) and Redwood (doing research that has findings I don’t like is nasty. Boo hoo Johnny boy).

What larks.
 
Remain also cornered the business and professional sectors, where perhaps shoelace tying skills are stronger.

Of course Goldie if you took the test I strongly suspect you came out as Remain, as I reckon you can do basic mental calculations. And of course this is a reflection of your life opportunities and education, not your innate intelligence. All it shows is how good you are at taking the test, not your reasoning to vote one way or another. What I found most interesting about it was the incoherent responses of Farage (Remain voters have higher IQs but can’t boil eggs and run businesses? Business is overwhelmingly Remain) and Redwood (doing research that has findings I don’t like is nasty. Boo hoo Johnny boy).

What larks.

Business doesn't like change or uncertainty, it's mostly risk averse so Remain is a natural choice. Some businesses have strong commercial links with Europe so naturally have no interest in flux. And of course, big business can lobby Brussels for favours and has done successfully for years. Those businesses with a global perspective can see untapped markets and favour Leave.

The Leave vote had its basis in more than the economy. Identity, community, borders, security all played a part. The key to a successful Brexit is to achieve these requirements and disrupt business as little as possible. Staying in the CU and SM won't achieve the former. If we went for WTO, I have no doubt the EU would climb down on the backstop's indefinite duration. But if Parliament votes to rule out no deal, then ironically, the result will be uncertainty and a degree of chaos. We may get an extension for a couple of months and then we're back with the same problem, and business has had two extra months uncertainty.

The EU would like us to stay in, but I wonder if they know what they are wishing for. If the 2016 referendum was ignored, frustrated Leavers like me would always vote for an anti-EU candidate in the EU Parliament elections. Brussels has got enough trouble dealing with agitators from Continental member countries.
 
The thing that I think many don't fully understand is that the default position is in law. The only way to stop it is extend or the PM to change things. This no deal vote (if it happens) does not trump the law or the PM. If MP's tried to take control they would have major major problems on their hands.
Personally, I am beginning to think that May will lose the vote and when it comes to the other votes MP's will bottle it. Rumours going around are that many Labour MP's in Leave constituancies won't risk the backlash. I think 'No deal' has moved up the ladder again.
Can you imagine May losing the vote then betraying Brexit? What sort of legacy would that be.. 'The woman who killed the Tory party and not only betrayed her people but her country'. She won't go down that route.
In an ideal World, May will quit when her vote fails and a new leader will walk. It's the only way now.
Look at the options.
Leave no deal...fulfil's vote outcome. May cause problems but democracy is respected.
May's deal...keeps us tied to the EU and is worse than being in.
Second vote... leave would win by bigger majority. But what's the point when we still have same MP's in place? Kills democracy
Norway or some other CU/SM thing... Not what people voted for. Keeps us tied to EU, better to stay in. Kills democracy.
Extension... Excuse for another vote. Nothing will change. Kills democracy.
Scrape Brexit... Kills democracy
Best thing to do now is just walk.

Second vote I do not agree one bit of that
Against that maybe for my fellow Brit because of the crap governance but I guarantee you remain would win 60/40 why?

It would more than likely be fixed to that outcome

Long term a few blue sheep are easy to brainwash and it would be cheaper

Current trend in the press maybe suggests I am wrong but I am not plus about time on here some admitted that the political environment around Brexit has changed week in week out

Take that fact and it’s evident that people are changing their minds and that sort of proves the original point that respectfully no one knew what Brexit really was when they voted
 
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The EU would like us to stay in, but I wonder if they know what they are wishing for. If the 2016 referendum was ignored, frustrated Leavers like me would always vote for an anti-EU candidate in the EU Parliament elections. Brussels has got enough trouble dealing with agitators from Continental member countries.
Spot on. It's happening all over Europe already. France is in turmoil with the yellow vests and the unpopular Macron. Far right groups growing in Germany/Italy/Hungary/Holland/Austria At the next EU elections there will be record number of Eurosceptic MEP's. This is all because of the EU... and they are so blind and deluded that they cannot see it.
 
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I am seriously getting hacked off with this stupid spell check thing! It keeps changing bloody words!<steam>
 
Spot on. It's happening all over Europe already. France is in turmoil with the yellow vests and the unpopular Macron. Far right groups growing in Germany/Italy/Hungary/Holland/Austria At the next EU elections there will be record number of Eurosceptic MEP's. This is all because of the EU... and they are so blind and deluded that they cannot see it.

Incorrect no big thing in France certainly not turmoil in real life just in your head and U.K. media

People are continuing to live fine in France again you are wrong ... I live there remember and watch French news all the time nothing like it’s reported in England

Macron is very unpopular and has been since he got in ... nothing to see here move on you desktop pirate
 
Not really, its just a shame that a once great paper like The Times needs to lower itself to this? No wonder the amount of readers it had has dropped.
Sadly it's the same old arrogant argument that if you voted Brexit you are some how thick. Keep knocking the people and their resolve will only get stronger. Personally I would rather be thick but believe in democracy. :emoticon-0148-yes:

Not thick imo just not aware of the full facts nor the implications over leaving Europe
Also from a generation that prefers to blame anyone else ... not your fault
If I saw just one reasonable draft plan for a post Brexit plan fir the U.K. at least I could read it and digest I am still waiting so what makes me cross of the Euro insults is the arrogance of the dinosaur Anglo Saxon who still believes we are the best at everything ... we are not it’s that simple and would be far stronger remaining inside the EU

But we are not ... fully accepted but at least have the truth and decency to finally admit you voted for something you had no idea what the potential pitfalls would be. A remainer at least made a balanced evaluation of the facts and was in doubt over the stability and turmoil Brexit will cause

So remainers who I believe haven’t changed their minds anywhere near what you believe

That fact starts at 48% base

Your thinking is that somehow that figure has been dramatically changed based on a similar turnout
Maybe you think that another 28% will turn out and vote leave ?

To date name a few people on here even that are now leavers who voted remain ?

So strong is the remain vote in the south And all of UKs major cities I guarantee you will see a massive swing of 60/40 from a younger generation that will blow the dinsosaur brexiteer away

If of course there is a second vote

I think I understand business well enough to know that remain is or would be the preferred option for the next generation

Blue sheep
 
i hope that in the case of food shortages everyone on here knows the address of at least one food stockpiler
this ones stockpiling scottish oats

i thought the first rule of stockpiling was to stockpile guns
booze
cigarettes

'Stockpiling for no-deal Brexit buffers my family from risks'
Nevine Mann has been buying extra food since last summer to make sure she and her family are prepared for a no-deal Brexit.
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Image: Nevine Mann is preparing for a no-deal Brexit
  • Why you can trust Sky News
    A Sky Data poll has revealed 28% of people are stockpiling in preparation for a no-deal Brexit, or have thought about doing so.
    In Cornwall, Nevine Mann and her family have been buying extra food and supplies since last summer to make sure she is prepared if there is no deal as Britain leaves the European Union.
    She tells Sky News why she is doing it.

    A no-deal Brexit may result in disruption to a whole range of products and services, some for a short time, others for much longer. As a parent, I make all sorts of plans, provisions and other steps to protect my children and buffer them from a range of risks in everyday life, and have done since before they were even born.
    When we realised that Brexit was to happen we were disappointed. When we realised that a no-deal scenario was not only a possibility but a likely one we were concerned.
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    Image: Nevine's stock includes long-life food
    The first thing we did was some light research looking at what the potential implications were. After seeing just the tip of the iceberg, and only in layman's terms, we decided that more in-depth knowledge was needed.
    The realisation that no-deal was becoming more and more likely and had the potential to affect everyday life in such a major way, became clearer in the autumn of 2017. At the time my husband and I had already been discussing the ramifications of any Brexit, looking into the implications, and decided together that we should aim to make some small preparations as a family.
    After moving house last summer, we discussed what we wanted to do to provide our family with an insurance policy in case of a no-deal Brexit.
    We decided we would create a list of products that we used regularly and had a long shelf life, we then started adding an extra pack of these items each time we went shopping - typically once every two to three weeks.
    This list included common household medicines as well as food stuffs. We also bought extra toiletries because so many of us have sensitive skin and require specific brands of things like shampoo and shower gel.
    We brought forward the planned installation of solar panels on our roof, and kept all three of the raised veggie patches we had previously decided to keep just one of. We also bought a lot of vegetable seeds to try growing - despite having a terrible record for keeping plants alive!
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    Image: She's created boxes of food and supplies for her relatives too
    As time went on and no-deal Brexit became more and more of a possibility and we learnt more and more about the real life implications, we began to look at more things we might need to do to protect our family. This included getting a filter to make the water from our garden water butt drinkable, and buying other things that we may need and may become difficult to obtain - toilet roll, meat substitutes, sources of calcium, dried and tinned fruit are just a few examples.
    The whole time we've been gathering extra food and products, we've been clear that, predominantly we are only buying greater quantities of what we would anyway. Everything will get used, whether there are shortages or delays with products or not, anything we don't use normally and don't need will be donated to food banks.

    We are also mindful to never leave a shelf empty, to ensure there is always something for the next person and avoid creating panic. We have also bought slowly, over time, during a period when supermarkets and shops can easily replenish their stocks.
    People routinely spend money on home insurance - they hope never to have to use, but have it for peace of mind, to protect themselves and their families in case they do.
    Our preparations for a no-deal Brexit are no different.
 
No matter how big the stick, no matter how hard you hit, you cannot beat the ****ing stupid out of stupid people, some people cannot accept the truth, they cannot see past their version of a story, they refuse to believe the truth that is told and shown to them, they then deny it, telling us it is fake news and that we made it up, they only believe their own narrative and version of events.
“There are none so blind as those that cannot see”
I feel sorry for him, for he will continue to believe in his own paradise, even when it all turns to ratshit, and he will still blame everybody but himself.