Off Topic Political Debate

The uncertainty over Brexit was always likely to affect investment in the short term. Normal service will be resumed once Brexit has been completed. The UK will remain attractive to investors and places with serious problems like France will be avoided as in the past

 

You are revealing a lot about yourself SH. and, I suspect, about the real aims of the ERG. Their real dream is for Britain to establish itself as a kind of off shore equivalent of Singapore - a 'bargain basement' dumping ground which has axed all regulations on worker's rights and environmental protection in the process, in order to be attractive for predatory incoming capital. So all the talk of sovereignty is so much bullshit - because your real dream is for Britain to open it's legs for the whole World to jump in. This may well be good for the financiers of the UK. but for the rest of the country ? The problem is that if you go down this road you will lose all access to European markets in the process.

 

What evidence do you have in the way of financial projections to support this statement, or are you basing it on the Mogg school of thought that it should turn something up in the next 50 years?

 

An interesting new row is developing over the Financial Services Bill, which the government has to pass by March 29 to prepare for a no-deal Brexit.

It was due in the Commons this afternoon, but it appears to have been pulled, as ministers were afraid of an embarrassing defeat led by Labour grandee Dame Margaret Hodge and Tory ex-minister Andrew Mitchell, which would create transparency in British tax havens.

They wouldn't want to let the cat out of the bag at this stage.

 

Let's face it for the ERG and their financiers is is all about money. They worship at the altar of profit. They hate the EU because it cares for its membership.. Something to close to socialism for them.. Which means less [emoji383] for them.

The sad part of this is how they manipulate the masses for their own ends..
This is why I could never never support these people..
What is needed is a civic society for the benefit of all with the sharing of wealth amongst all sections...

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You are being condescending to the masses that regularly make the Tories the preferred political party choice of government. The electorate rejected the wishy washy Lib Dem ideas at the last election.

The EU has treated millions of it's members in Southern Europe appallingly, massively high unemployment and abject poverty. The leaders in Brussels are fiddling and paying themselves huge amounts, what a dreadful example.

 

Can you produce evidence that leaders in Brussels are fiddling and paying themselves huge amounts ? The basic salary of an MEP is roughly the same as for an MP in Westminster - if you have evidence that European leaders are any more corrupt than those in Westminster, then you should produce it or keep silence. As for the masses - well actually we are talking about 36-38% of those who actually vote. The fact that the majority actually vote for parties which are either mildly left of centre, or more left of centre, has obviously slipped under your radar. With regard to the masses being duped - when you see people like Rees Mogg playing up to fears about immigration for a working class which he despises then it hits the nail on the head. You know that for the man on the Clapham Omnibus, his row of houses has been taken over by an American investor (part of his NHS as well), his industry has been sold to the highest investor (Chinese), his local football club by Arab investors. Yet he is duped into blaming the Pole or the Pakistani immigrant on the corner, in other words one victim blames another whilst the perpetrator laughs his way to the bank.

 

You are talking as if your government has a majority, which we all know is not the case. They are only in power because they bought votes from the DUP.
Why are you so worried about your perceived injustices for the people of other countries, when you have nothing to say on the appalling treatment that some of the most disadvantaged in the UK are being subjected to? The EU does not set policies that stop an individual country from doing what is best for the population. Some countries were on their knees until the EU provided assistance, and are now on the road to recovery, but they had got themselves into the state before they went for help.

 

Since Labour messed up in the late noughties the electorate decided to put the Tories in power ever since. The last election saw their market share rise to the highest level for 30 years. The Tories have overseen the largest rise in the minimum wage and created millions of jobs. Their best option, like everybody else, is to support a Tory government. The alternative is the Momentum ragbag collection of Trots and Marxists.
The suffering Greeks, Italians, Spanish etc have a different view about the EU than you do through Rose tinted specs.

 

Seven years as a minority government and two with a small majority since 2010. Hardly sounds like the overwhelming endorsement of the Tories. As a senior government minister has said today, “The party system is in a parlour state: sclerotic and stale, they have both become undeserving of enthusiastic support. Their capture by Momentum and Moggmentum are pushing each to the fringe. So some fresh, principled, rebalancing will, I predict, have more impact than people immediately realise.”

 

It is clear the electorate have preferred the Tories since 2010, Labour have lost three times and the Lib Dems have been reduced to a tiny protest party. The FPTP system will not change and the anti-Brexit party will be crushed at the next election.

 

Despite what you like to say about others, do not forget your party is a minority one yet again. No great popular support, but hanging on by the fingernails.

 

Agreed.. The UK system is not fit for purpose...
Sadly many people are duped by the right wing financed media to vote for a dream.
The only marker the Tory party has claimed with any consistency is their management of the economy.. I think that has been blown out of the water now...

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Even this is a myth Yorkie - the Tories have never been the best party for the economy. Measuring Labour years against Conservative years of government since the War, Labour borrows less and pays more back per average year of government. The myth of Tory management of the economy has always been that ie. a myth, sold to us by the privately owned media.

 

It is amazing given the problems the government has recently endured it is still the preferred party in the polls. The dreadful opposition ensures the Tories remain the most likely option to govern long term.

 

The electorate know the Tories are the only party they can trust with the economy.

 

Almost 30 years since the Berlin wall came down, yet we see the PM clinging on desperately in very much the same way that Erich Honecker did all those years ago. Eventually he was forced to resign as the public became so disillusioned with him that his position became untenable. He was able to control the press, something that shouldn't be possible in a "free" country, but as we know the UK press is rather different. The Police force in the UK have described her as "delusional" as she tries to defend her record going back to the time she was in the Home Office. There is no support for her government as it throws money around on terrible deals done by her transport minister, yet she is cornered into not daring to sack him. Her days are clearly numbered.

 

Hopefully, the sooner we have a proper Brexiteer in charge the better. There were too many remainer wets in the cabinet which weakened her negotiating position. On top of that we had useless remainer civil servants unused to negotiating in the real world.

 

Let me get this right. You want someone from the Moggy cult to take over, and keep the UK in the EU for much longer, rather than accept the PM's deal?

 

They were negotiating with other civil servants rather than the so called "real world".