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  1. Westlake33

    Westlake33 Well-Known Member

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    I'd rather have someone street wise, buying fouls, scoring a few goals, bullying defenders, being a pain to play

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    A player who uses his main asset ( pace ) about as intelligently as Danny Haynes, cannot hold up the ball, with zero strength.
     
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  2. YorkieLancsHampyLondoner

    YorkieLancsHampyLondoner Well-Known Member

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    The point is it's a bit like asking who I want to be Brexit minister. Makes sod all difference.

    Also what problem in front of goal? How is he supposed to score goals with no service and without playing?
     
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    Well your opinion seemed to count when saying various things regarding Joe Garner before, so if that's the case what you've said now, why did you bother commenting about Joe Garner in the first place?

    Makes sod all difference, right?
     
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    YorkieLancsHampyLondoner Well-Known Member

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    It's still 10 starts Westy. The point is Garner had a lot more game time, had attacking players around him banging them in and not in such a negative situation. This season in a poor Wigan side and less game time Garner has almost an identical record to Jackson.
     
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    That's a fair point.
     
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    I appear to be rubbish at quoting today! Think I'm going to get some sun.

    Got a ticket for Dynamo Kiev tonight, so looking forward to that.
     
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    If anyone can get a chance conversion statistic on Kayden Jackson, then we'd get a clearer picture, but in 999 minutes of Championship football this season, he has scored only three goals. To me, that's a problem in front of goal.

    I take the point that he's not playing with the most creative of midfields (and that's ultimately on Hurst as we've gradually become more creative under Lambert), but that goal return is poor and, like a few players brought in over the summer, I don't think Jackson is cut out for Championship football.
     
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    My conclusion about Jackson and the same for some of the signings we've made, letting Woolfy go out on loan, Donacien not playing, playing Knudsen at centre back, playing Skuse and Chalobah together, playing one striker up, letting Spence anywhere near a professional football club and all the other things this season is that Hurst and Lambert have not always got it right.
     
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    I'm not saying he is, I'm not saying he isn't, but he definitely hasn't had a fair crack of the whip. Most of the time he's been on the pitch particularly under Hurst he was really up against it in terms of even getting a touch of the ball in a central position.
     
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    Ah Hurst.
     
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    Jackson isn't getting into the team because he hasn't taken his chances when he was previously starting in matches, and he has not looked good when coming off the bench. He should feature more now that Keane is apparently out for weeks (a striker who has a lot more in his locker compared to Jackson and gets on the scoresheet more frequently). If we persist with two up front on the weekend, Jackson will have a good chance of starting and I hope he will start to score the goals and deliver the performances anticipated from him in the summer when we signed him. Unfortunately, for both Jackson and us, he hasn't showed enough this season so far.
     
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    Confidence and momentum are big things for a lot of forwards.

    I don't think he will kick on at Ipswich because like many of his teammates I'm sure he just regrets ever signing.

    It's up to the manager to get the best out of the players and we have not done that with Kayden Jackson.
     
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    No idea if Jackson regrets signing, I'm sure there are a lot of unhappy lads in that dressing room, but I bet the likes of Jackson, Donacien, Harrison, and Nsiala are loving the bigger wage packets this season!

    I'd argue Jackson has been given many opportunities to stake a first team claim, but he hasn't taken them. But I'll agree to disagree. Hopefully he starts on Saturday and bags a couple of goals, but I sadly doubt it.
     
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    Nuggets, from the very first match even before Jackson signed our forward play was set up wrong. Absolutely there is an element of making it happen for yourself, but you are talking about lads of the calibre of Mo Salah or Michael Owen or even Jamie Vardy to get the ball deep or wide and go and take on an entire defence on your own and score regularly.

    There have been one or two fluffed lines but Jackson was badly let down by Hurst.

    Lambert coming in hasn’t fancied him and maybe the damage was done to his belief or application by then.

    Maybe if he starts 40 games he gets 15-20 goals in spite of everything else being stacked against him.

    Or maybe Jackson just is not good enough, but based on this season alone I don’t think that would be a fair assumption to make.

    Jon Nolan showed very little for most of the season - he has got pelters on this forum and Lambert didn’t fancy him, but now he’s playing well.
     
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    There's not a lot of relevance in comparing present players against departed players,but as we appear to be doing so surely there's only one question, did we score more goals last season than this season ? As far as I'm concerned that answers the question.
    And just to throw something hypothetical into the mix I believe if Lambert had been appointed instead of Hurst we would not have lost our entire strike force for short term disastrous financial gain.
     
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    We don’t know fieldmarshall, possibly not and by the same token I’d say we’d not be in this situation if Hurst had stayed on, but that’s all speculation - this seems to be about whether Garner alone would have made a difference.
     
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    Hurst stayed on !!! This is a joke right?
     
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  20. stretchyboy

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    In all fairness FM, we probably wouldn't have been in a worse position, league position and points wise, if we left Hurst in charge.
     
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