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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

    56 vote(s)
    47.9%
  2. Get out

    61 vote(s)
    52.1%
  1. ELLERS

    ELLERS Well-Known Member

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    I was about to call you a lazy sod then I remembered you were away. Hows Trump getting on?
     
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  2. Goldhawk-Road

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    I agree with you that the EU will have to make big changes after Brexit. I was reading recently that the love-in between Merkel and Macron has died a death. Macron wants to power ahead to a federal EU and the Germans are now stalling big time.

    It does look as though there may be a major split in Labour - Momentum are out to replace about 100, so like the extreme Tory Remainers, the Labour MP's may have to make a jump to the Umunna group. If a Centrist Party (the old New Labour) does take off, it could spell disaster for Corbyn and McDonnell
     
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    She'd have to rely on Labour votes for that, and would split her party. I can't see it myself
     
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  4. Staines R's

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    I’ve told you what I think Ellers....what else do you want to know ?
     
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  5. danishqp

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    It will be a good thing as long as the general public don't get bored with it.
    I've said it before, living in a "socialist/capitalist" country leaves the dinner table talk with friends a tad difficult at times.
    Very few discussions or debates on ploitics - if there are, they are from entrenched central positions wanting to take in to account all sides of the argument, with a very nasty habit of bringing undeniable facts to the table with a long term perspective - who the Hell want that!!
    Can the UK, with its need for sensationalism and reality heroes lead the way?
    It will be tough when you have Govts. that make decisions that prove incorrect, back track by apologising and not worried about losing face or popularity and reverse crappy decisions, they themselves have made.
    There will be a place for ALL voices -
    You wont be condemned a rascist by questioning non indiginous population numbers.
    You wont be shot down for wanting a fair playing field for all.
    There will be place for lunatics and centrists alike - just in proportion, it wont be about who shouts loudest, who has a better grasp on Big Data, who's following what latest trends, strangely it will be very unsexy.

    And here's the danger - the dinner table chat can sometimes be a bit oo liberal on that S talk!!

    Macron is a Count - He came up here to Denmark 2 months ago telling us that he dreamed of France one day being like us.
    All he did was bad mouth France, wrong audience, he obviously doesn't realise that half of Vence and Cannes are owned by Danes!!
     
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    <laugh>
     
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  7. ELLERS

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    Macron will be gone at next election. The French hate him.
     
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  8. ELLERS

    ELLERS Well-Known Member

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    i know Staines I am waiting for others. :emoticon-0100-smile
     
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    ELLERS Well-Known Member

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    So Chukka and Co have left the Labour party as an attempt to stop Brexit. Chris Lesley has basically just said that.
    What muppets.
    They have let down their party and electorate. Put your money where your mouth is and have a by-election! Kay Burley keeps saying 'call a by-election' and Lesley said 'no'.
    Funnily he keeps bleating on about 'honesty' and yet he doesn't answer her questions! <doh> muppets
     
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    I've really kicked it off here in CPH -
    A member of my purchasing staff - a staunch French left winger (would make Strolls proud) from Rennes - has just started crying.
    She's just realised the heinous thing that she said which was:

    "At the moment, I would prefer Le Pen, Macron is that bad and that hated!,
    can it be right that my sister has had to go back to live with my mum.
    My mum has to buy new glasses, she is as almost as blind as I am, but she cant afford the 450 Euros.
    I have had to send them 1000 Euros at Christmas - so they can fix the cooker and live a little better and it's all gone"

    Wow, now that is a proud French lady - a single mother in DK, it's almost like the Phillipinos and Indians (nothing wrong in that but arent we the best of the best?!!)
    People are now asking why I've kicked this all off - I've told them I'm researching International Tax Laws due to Brexit.

    What are we doing to our sheep, DT et al?
    This goes deeper, so very much deeper. It's not just the EU, so much more.

    Whether it's morals, values or personal integrity, something is going to have to give.
     
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  12. ELLERS

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    couldn't have put it better. I wonder if those on here who said May should have had a GE when she became leader will also want a by-election for the 'splitters'?
     
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    If the Yanks can pull your citizenship for tax avoidance how can we not pull the citizenship of ISIS supporters for supporting mass murder and oppression of anyone Muslim or otherwise who does not support them? I think the Government can but if not, isn't it time we learned from the mother of all democracies?
     
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    <doh><doh>
    ISIS terrorist Shamim Begum named her son “Jarrah”, as she says her ISIS terrorist husband wanted.
    The obscure name comes from a Jihad warlord named “Abu Ubaidah bin Jarrah”, who launched a genocidal massacre of the entire Jewish population in Khaybar, over 1300 years ago.
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    <doh><doh>silly girl
    she would have got away with it had she said it was her favourite coffee and not a genocidal maniac<doh><doh>
     
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    That’s nothing, I called my daughter after the Norse goddess of war who used to shag around and get pulled along in a chariot by 2 cats :)
     
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    have any lessons been learned from previous returnees

    Anna Soubry MP‏Verified account@Anna_Soubry 10h10 hours ago
    #ShaminaBegum & baby must return to UK to her family & our security forces. Interviewed to determine any crime & assessed re risk she poses. Keeping people safe (including her baby) is paramount as well as being clear she is a British citizen many lessons to learn from her story
     
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    Oh crap!....Quick hide Vince the Cable is being interviewed on TV.... wait for it 30 secs in.. "A peoples vote"? <doh><doh>
     
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    12) Freya –
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    “Freya in her Car drawn by Cats” by Carl Emil Doepler (1905)
    Freya (Freyja in Old Norse, meaning ‘Lady’), though initially belonging to the Vanir tribe of Norse gods (like his twin brother Freyr), was also as a loyal and honorary member of the Æsir, after the conclusion of their tribal war. Epitomizing the aspects of love, beauty, and even opulent objects, the goddess was often represented as the seeker of pleasure and the unknown. Focusing on the latter, Freya embodied the völva (or anglicized vala), the female seer of the Norse religion who had the ability to tinker with the seidr – magic pertaining to destiny and its ‘weaving’.
    In essence, Freya had the ability to alter and manipulate one’s desire and fortune – and thus was often associated with the undiscernable attitudes of cats. Freya was also regarded among the Norse goddesses as the ruler of afterlife realm Folkvang, which allowed her to choose half of the warriors who were slain in battle (the other half were guided by the Valkyries to Valhalla – see the Bragi entry). All of these characteristics of a potent völva mirrors the historical scenario of the Germanic pantheon, especially during the Völkerwanderung or ‘Migration Period’ – circa 400-800 AD. In that regard, these tribal societies tended to favor two gods at the head of their pantheon symbolizing the chieftain warrior (who would lead them into battles and plunders) and his wife the prophetess (who would outline the future outcome of such military encounters by her magic).
    Many historians and scholars believe that these two figures eventually coalesced into what we know as the Norse entities of Odin and Frigg, with the latter being the same (or at least sharing similar qualities to the) deity who was regarded as Freya. To that end, Freya’s husband is often identified as Óðr, roughly meaning – furor or ecstasy. And Óðinn – the Old Norse for Odin, is just the word óðr with the masculine definite article (-inn) added to the end.
     
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