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This is why I can see the EU caving in at the last minute. No one wants to see people losing jobs here and in the EU. Common sense will over power the EU mad mindset.
100,000 jobs at risk in Germany from 'no deal' Brexit
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/02/10/100000-jobs-risk-germany-no-deal-brexit/
https://www.dw.com/en/hard-brexit-risks-100000-german-jobs-report/a-47447207
100,000 jobs at risk in Germany from 'no deal' Brexit
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/02/10/100000-jobs-risk-germany-no-deal-brexit/
https://www.dw.com/en/hard-brexit-risks-100000-german-jobs-report/a-47447207
That’s what Farage thinks of the 17.4m
Farage told Daily Politics that Theresa May’s speech in Florence was “a big two fingers up to 17.4million, the great unwashed who wanted Brexit.”
How exactly do you think they will ‘cave in’ Ellers? By selling Ireland down the river?
The cynic in me says of course they would, however they will make a fudge that makes it look like they haven't. A question for you. Do you think Germany would put 100K out of work for Ireland?
By selling the DUP down the river. That's how the Tories will cave in. There are enough of them about to side with all other opposition against a No Deal Brexit to achieve a soft Brexit.
I have no idea. I do know that EU countries have expected negative economic consequences from June 2016, where we have been told a whole range of stuff from meltdown to sunlit uplands. Do you think May will risk 750,000 job losses?
https://readyforbrexit.co.uk/up-to-...ard-brexit-warns-uk-trade-policy-observatory/
And before you shout scaremongering, I could yell the same about the German figures, why trust one set of figures more than another? As it happens I think there will be enduring economic damage all round from Brexit, and the harder the Brexit the worse the damage. And the place most damaged will be the UK. That’s just my opinion.
Ireland is tricky, as both sides say they want the same thing, an open border. The EU might gamble that a hard no deal Brexit and ensuing market reactions would get the UK back knocking on the door very sharpish.
It’s a pathetic thing to do, play chicken with real people’s livelihoods.
Why didn't they just round it up to 1M? The thing is the German one seems more realistic even though I think both are over exaggerated. The question was do you think Germany would put 100K out of work for Ireland? which you have no idea about and TBH I am not Nostradamus but I can't see them giving a toss about Ireland over their own people as it's them they have to answer to.
But they do give a toss about the integrity of the EU, which is a huge market for Germany, and if they are seen to undermine that they could lose a lot more than 100,000 jobs. I’m sure Merkel et al will do their best to minimise job losses in the short term with an eye on what they think the long term shape of trading will be. They would certainly prefer a deal, but at what cost I can’t say.
And by this, lose the DUP support (especially when forecasts all say in a GE it would be a hung parliament). By doing this they would then betray the leave voters and probably break the party? I will have a glass of what you are on.
Neither can I. But business will dictate as the problem with Brexit is all down to business really. Business will ask what is best, lose trade with Ireland or UK? I know which one they will pick. As for integrity of the EU? Have you not seen those reports on countries getting preferential treatment over others? The EU is made for Germany, then France and the rest have the pickings. We have also seen how they have treated Greece and Italy.
I’d like some of our Irish contributors to comment both on the border, and also on where they think their economy would be had they not joined the EU. Danish asked some questions which I can’t answer about this a couple of days ago.
One thing I am sure of, though it’s still just an opinion, is that if the EU collapses (and that’s always a possibility) it will be extremely bad for everyone, including a post no deal UK. And this is a legitimate area of criticism for the EU. The club is now so entrenched and seemingly averse to the change that I have consistently said it needs, that it feels like a trap. If you are in you can’t afford to leave - it was an option that would have meant total collapse for the Greeks - even if you hate it. Not a strong foundation.
Totally agree in that the EU won't adapt and for any business model or whatever, this is the wrong way. We have seen some contributions by some of our Irish posters and on so many levels I totally agree with them and no one wants a return to the old days. However if people are saying that things will kick off over trade customs and checks on food then I would find that very sad. And by the way I am not saying that we need a border or checks.
If the EU and its blind move to a federal Europe collapsed, a Common Market might return, and I'd vote for that.
We may have stalemate now, so preparation for a managed no deal is essential
They're already studying it - my son had a question on Brexit in his Modern Studies Higher mock exam last week, asking to lay out the advantages and disadvantages of leaving the EU - what chance has he got, when even the ****ish politicians haven't got a clue.
Rising number of young knife victims a 'major concern' for doctors
Doctors call for knife crime to be treated as a public health issue as the number of youngsters treated in hospital rises by 55%.
By Paul Kelso, health correspondent
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Doctors call for knife crime to be treated as a public health issue as the number of youngsters treated in hospital rises by 55%.
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Image: Kiyan Prince, 15, was stabbed to death outside his school as he tried to break up a fight
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Hospital admissions of children and teenagers assaulted with knives or other sharp objects have increased by 55% in five years, prompting NHS leaders to call for action to stop sales of weapons to young people.
Admissions for all injuries caused by assault with a knife or similar weapon have gone up by almost a third since 2012-13, from 3,849 to 4,986 last year.
The number of admissions of children and teenagers has increased almost twice as fast however, with 1,012 10 to 19-year-olds admitted in the year to March 2018.
People aged 20-29 accounted for more than 1,900 episodes of consultant care, an increase of 24% since 2012-13, and cases involving under-30s accounted for 60% of admissions.
The figures are further evidence that knife crime is reaching epidemic proportions among the young, and increasing numbers of victims are children.
Earlier this week it was revealed that the number of stabbing deaths in the year to March 2018 was the highest since records began in 1949, with 285 people killed. Overall knife crime was up 8% in the year to September.
While these statistics include assaults with weapons other than a knife, and the number of admissions does not equate directly to the number of individuals injured, teenagers and children are disproportionately affected by knife crime.
It is this impact on the young that most troubles NHS staff working in trauma units who now routinely treat stabbing victims on a daily basis.
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Image: Trauma surgeon Martin Griffiths says he sees on average two stabbings every day
Trauma surgeon Martin Griffiths, who works at England's largest A&E department at the Royal London Hospital, says he expects to treat two stabbing victims a day.
"In practice what has changed is that we are seeing a lot more young people and adolescents who have severe injuries. That used to be an occasional occurrence and that is now the norm. I expect to admit someone of school age this week as a matter of course."
Mr Griffiths is one of the leading proponents of treating knife crime as a public health issue rather than simply a criminal problem, and with Barts Health NHS Trust, of which Royal London is a part, has developed methods of working with injured youngsters to try to end the cycle of violence.
Working with charity the St Giles Trust they have managed to reduce readmission of victims who suffer subsequent assaults from 45% to less than 1%.
"In our service at Bart's Health in conjunction with St Giles' Trust we have fantastic success in reducing retaliation and readmission with our patients," Mr Griffiths said.
"But there is no doubt we have to address the root causes of violence which start in childhood. We need to do work in society and in the community in developing resilient relationships, communication skills, aspiration and providing resource to allow people to be diverted away from bad choices."
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Image: Mark Prince, who lost his son Kiyan to knife crime, supports the public health approach
The NHS is calling for tougher action against retailers who break the law by selling knives to people under 18.
Professor Chris Moran, national clinical director for trauma at NHS England, said: "Hospital visits linked to knife crime and other violence is a major cause for concern and puts extra pressure on our expert staff.
"Far too many young people are able to buy knives on the high street, and we need councils and retailers to work together to stop this."
The public health approach to tackling knife crime is backed by Mark Prince, a campaigner whose 15-year-old son Kiyan was killed in 2006 after he tried to break up a fight outside his school.
He said: "We have take a public health approach. We have to reform our youth services. We have to create more opportunities for employment.
"We have to start utilising the communities and the organisations in the communities - having them well-funded so they can do the work.
"We have to start boosting the support for the school system because that looks like it is under pressure and failing young people."
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Image: Gayle Hann believes a more holistic approach is needed
Paediatrician Dr Gayle Hann, of North Middlesex Hospital, says hospitals can play a bigger role by intervening with injured youngsters.
"Stitching them up and putting them back on the streets - I'm seeing the same faces coming back. Therefore, we have to do something and as a hospital we have been going out in the community.
"I'm involved in knife crime prevention, going out to schools, parents and the police to talk. It's a whole system approach. We can't just sit in our silos."
The recently published NHS Long Term Plan for the health service set out improvements to emergency care and aims to build on the work of major trauma centres, introduced in 2012.
These centres are credited with saving the lives of around 1,600 more people who suffered severe and complicated injuries.
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Sky News on the trail of youth knife crime in the West Midlands
Last week, Home Secretary Sajid Javid announced plans for new knife crime prevention orders that could be imposed on suspects aged 12 or over.
A Home Office spokeswoman said: "We are very concerned about the increase in knife crime and its devastating consequences.
"Our serious violence strategy sets out the action we are taking to tackle this, which includes a greater focus on early intervention, alongside strong enforcement.
"The government is also seeking to amend the Offensive Weapons Bill to introduce new knife crime prevention orders which will focus on preventing vulnerable young people from becoming involved in knife crime. We will also be taking further action against retailers found to be selling knives to children."
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