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The top v bottom derby. Away.

Discussion in 'Ipswich Town' started by Westlake33, Feb 3, 2019.

  1. Scowey

    Scowey Well-Known Member

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    Apologies if my tone was a little brash, but the frustration of circling around the same argument.. Which is your opinion being presented as if it's a fact (a personal bugbear of mine in everyday life) obviously got the better of me.

    The point I have been trying to make is that football is not played on paper, on wikipedia, or even football manager and that the best laid plans fall apart as soon as the first whistle is blown so the positions of circles on a team sheet don't count for much.

    But that's all that needs to be said so we can direct this thread back on to matters at hand [This Sunday]
     
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  2. YorkieLancsHampyLondoner

    YorkieLancsHampyLondoner Well-Known Member

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    Scowey, I never had a problem with it. Was just pointing out to Westy why I bit back.

    I don’t agree with you - one of the reasons for Manchester United’s success under Sir Alex Ferguson was that tactically they were always drilled to perfection.

    As an example, every time I see a deflected goal go in I wince, because as the best centre backs (Ferdinand, Terry) will testify, if you stand up and face forward you might take one in the groin or the face, but chances are the ball will not loop up or deviate into the net. When a player sticks his leg out or twists or bends to the side, he’s greatly increasing the chances of the ball spinning, looping, flying off in an uncontrolled manner. Almost every deflected goal you see will be caused by this and the commentator will incorrectly attribute it to bad luck.

    Hansen always used to use the phrase ‘playing percentages’ about defensive positioning because if you position yourself correctly you greatly increase the chance of seeing the danger away. Failing to do this was the cause of the Sheffield Wednesday goal.

    The same applies to creating chances and scoring goals. Great strikers positioning is absolutely crucial - how they start and then react to a passage of play is partly instinct and partly drilling on the training ground. That’s why on TV analysis there’ll often be a graphic of a string between a front pair. Their positioning and movement is vital to being able to find each other and unlock a defence. Skill and instinct then plays a major part in how the pass, the chip, the shot are executed. I would not expect our players to be executing goals like the sublime Pogba chip into the box / Rashford finish last week.

    Then you add in the human element - Gary Neville recently said he had a target of being at fault for 4 goals per season - that is four times when he did something that tactically he shouldn’t have that led to a goal. It is never going to be perfect but drilling and tactics improve your chances.

    Absolutely true that our players are not as good at this - in terms of quality and intelligence and discipline (if they were they would be Premier League players). But they still should be doing a lot better than they are.

    My major criticism of Hurst in early games was that he was not giving us any chance to score goals and it’s still the case now with how we are setting up. If players are giving their all but they have nothing to execute, or they are executing the wrong things, they will lose football matches and gradually get frustrated. I could see this happening under Paul Hurst and I was banging on and on every week about the need to change it.

    This was NEVER a criticism I had of McCarthy and to give him his credit he worked hard on all this stuff and his sides were drilled like an absolute machine. It would spring a leak, the defence would lose their discipline for a period, and then he’d get in and change it and fix it, never perfect but keeping working on it. Perhaps that’s the major difference in the goalkeepers as well this season.
     
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  3. Scowey

    Scowey Well-Known Member

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    How many have we actually lost? I can think of a couple of the regulars when I first joined that seem to have stopped contributing. Which is probably understandable given the situation the club finds itself in.

    In fact whoever used to post the odd thing on the ITFC Not606 twitter account (not that I use twitter) seems to have dried up..
     
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  4. YorkieLancsHampyLondoner

    YorkieLancsHampyLondoner Well-Known Member

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    We lost a lot of numbers when 606 shut but most of the ones who did make it over disappeared over the course of the McCarthy era.

    Off the top of my head

    Naxos
    Hoppers
    solly
    Steve Getting Slimmer
    Hanging Hog
    Guru
    White Horse
    King of Portman Road
    billypockets
    zoomba
    FBI
    Pioneer Blue
    oztown
    rushmere
    stratton
    welly
    Stephen Hawkings Football Boots
    tractor bhoy
    dundee

    This season we have lost weighty and JWM.

    There definitely used to be a lot more threads (and posters). So a contributing factor is definitely that we get into a long winding thread with the same dozen or so regular people now. We don't have many people that just post once or twice on a topic. There used to be loads of those.

    Royal Barclay Fan used to post a little verse every month or two.
     
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  5. YorkieLancsHampyLondoner

    YorkieLancsHampyLondoner Well-Known Member

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    Just found this (from 2011)

    andythetractor - On board
    Bigalreigned – On board
    Billypockets - On board
    BJK – On board
    BlueGreenKing - On board
    Bluemonkey - On board
    Blueydeepdown - On board
    Brian - MIA
    Butchers Bandage - MIA
    Buttons - On board
    CALITFC (Rushmere) – On board
    chatteris blue - MIA
    cheddyblue - On board
    Ciderman - On board
    cinnamonITFC - On board
    Davlaa - On board
    disappearing tractor boy - MIA
    Fieldmarshall - On board
    Forever Blue - On board
    GBT – On board
    Give Priskin A Hug - On board (Rolls Reuser)
    guru Steve - On board
    Hoppersblue10 - On board
    itfcptc - On board
    ITFC1983 - MIA
    ITFCinwales - MIA
    Jas0999 - On board
    Jim Bob ITFC - On board
    john - MIA
    JohnnyWarksMoustache - On board
    JonahJameson – On board
    King_of_Portman_Road - On board
    Lincolntractorboy (Dundeetractorboy) – On board
    MightyMathie - MIA
    Mike_Holmes1990 - On board
    Muttonles - MIA
    Naxos - On board
    Nuggets - MIA
    oztown - On board
    Paul (Westlake33) – On board
    Pershore - On board
    PJs Barmy Army - On board
    San Diego - On board
    Sanpedro - On board
    Solly - On board
    Southcoastoldgaffer - On board
    Spanish - On board
    Stretchyboy – On board
    stephenhawkingsfootballboots
    Stratton - On board
    Svendust – MIA
    TownOnTheUp - On board
    townsince58 - MIA
    tractorbhoy - MIA
    tractor boy steve (getting slimmer) - On board
    TractorBoyTuck – On board
    Tractor Tim - On board
    Wellyblue - On board
    YorkshireHampshire... - On board

    New to Not606

    BedfordBlue
    Bejewelled
    Bluehysteria
    Blue Sauce
    Captain Holland
    Dundee Blue
    ExeterBlu
    FBI Dave
    Harry’s Dad
    Jewells Jewells
    Madferitblue
    markfatboyblues78
    mwfcITFC
    PioneerBlueinOZ
    RichardP08
    ShoeITFC
    Weighty Crimson Plum
    white horse
    yorksblue
    yorkiegit
    Zoomba
     
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  6. Nuggets

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    Wow, that's quite a list and a lot of familiar names on there. I was going to bring up whether anyone had heard from Weighty lately, he was a regular poster as recently as last season.

    I put the departures down to the gradual decline and stagnation at the club, rather than any indictment of this forum's quality or general conduct. If we were to return to the Premier League, or become a regular promotion-competing club in the Championship, then we'd probably see the return of some of the old boys or some new members.

    Looking around at some of the other clubs in the Championship and League One on here, and there are no regular posters at all. Maybe the forum needs to be advertised more widely to get in new members?
     
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  7. Nuggets

    Nuggets Well-Known Member

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    Am I really Nuggets?
     
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  8. YorkieLancsHampyLondoner

    YorkieLancsHampyLondoner Well-Known Member

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    I think you were a bit of a late comer, I joined Feb 2011 and you joined in May of that year. Or you could be an imposter. What have you done with him?
     
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    The tail end of my uni years, so yes, very much late to the party. I don't think I was posting regularly again until 2013/14.

    Honest.
     
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  10. Bigalreigned

    Bigalreigned Well-Known Member

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    TWTD now seems to be the go-to Forum for Town fans,not that I'm a member ,just lurk!
     
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  11. YorkieLancsHampyLondoner

    YorkieLancsHampyLondoner Well-Known Member

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    They keep the peace by posting stuff like this:

    "Cant find an answer via google- awkward to know how to describe / search for it.

    I routinely copy stacks of music files to assorted USB sticks for the car. I keep getting problems with odd files coming up as unknown and not connected with their relevant albums. Looking at the metadata, it appears that on about 20% of the albums I copy across, the first track (and only the first track) somehow leaves behind / loses its metadata (namely "album" and "artist") in the copying process. Leaving me the task now of going into each individial first track which shows the problem, and adding the metadata back in...

    Any ideas why this happens and how to deal with it?!!"

    and this:

    "What, France and Italy diplomatic row continues

    How can that happen in the utopia of the EU?
    France has recalled its ambassador to Italy for talks

    Worst France is quoted as saying the situation was "unprecedented" since the end of World War Two.
    Doesn't France know the rules; don't mention the war."
     
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  12. YorkieLancsHampyLondoner

    YorkieLancsHampyLondoner Well-Known Member

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    For the first time in months, we have a game that really matters and I am getting that buzz on a Friday lunchtime for the weekend game, not a Saturday lunchtime.

    #COYB
     
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  13. Bigalreigned

    Bigalreigned Well-Known Member

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    It does all get a bit random (and partisan) but you can filter for either "Football" or "General" threads.

    PS Glad to see I'm now longer on "ignore" ;)
     
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  14. Scowey

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    I like TWTD for the odd browse, but it's so cliquey it's unbelievable. So many 'in jokes' and ongoing feuds that I'm completely unaware of.

    It also descends very quickly into politics which is of absolutely no interest to me.. And they could do with someone managing the number of threads that get posted.. You go on there on a match day and there are 10+ threads with the title "bugger" or "sloppy goal to concede" etc. which clogs up the page as no one seems willing to contribute to a thread, but instead start a completely new one (see also, new signings)
     
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  15. Scowey

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    Who operates the ITFC Not606 twitter page? I stumbled across this site (again) when I saw something on twitter during a transfer window couple of seasons ago.
     
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    I signed up to it when it was first launched.but it just didn't take off!
     
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  17. YorkieLancsHampyLondoner

    YorkieLancsHampyLondoner Well-Known Member

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    Do you mean you followed it or did you set it up?
     
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    I don't know who runs it. It was something that someone set up a few years ago in an attempt to bring more posters on board. It was during the time that Kopr was mod with me but I'm not sure if it was him that set up.
     
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  19. Westlake33

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    Just read a stat that's made me want to cry.

    We have scored TWO GOALS away from home in second halves this season.

    That includes two cup ties, 17 matches, 2 second half goals.

    Away from home, second half, we score one on average in 382 minutes. Once every 8.5 games. Wow. Grim.
     
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    It appears I am an aberration- not on either list. Now questioning my own existence, am I real?
     
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