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    Not exactly, but the equivalent on 6 cassettes: MCA 6-80,000 (Published 1979)

    However, I compiled my own reel-to-reel collection of every one of Buddy Holly's released tracks in 1962-63. I brought the tape with me when I emigrated to Canada, lent them to an old mate from Hull (school) who emigrated here too,so he could record the tracks. Never got it back. He died last year (over here) so no chance of me getting the original back. I don't know his 4th (final) wife !

    I went to school with the son of one of my dad's old merchant navy pals from ww2 (Trans-Atlantic convoys mainly). My dad retired from the Merch after the war, but my schoolfriend's dad stayed at sea. He was a big fan of Buddy Holly and brought everything he could when over in the States. I borrowed all the vinyl - 78's. 45's and LP's he brought back and recorded them on my old man's reel-to-reel recorder.
    My old man had been a radio operator during the war and knew his stuff.

    Of course - since the advent of the net, I've replaced every track in digital format.

    I think there are roughly 120-130 recordings (published) by Buddy Holly. Probably twice that number of gig recordings (TV etc) in circulation.

    That's in the space of just less than 2 years of exposure. Unbelievable talent.

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    Quote from the end of the link you included>

    "Summing up – fans have waited years for a CD replacement of their beloved "Complete Buddy Holly" 6LP/6MC Box Set from 1979 by the wonderful JOHN BEECHER and MALCOLM JONES – and this tastily presented homage is the closest they’re going to get to it. What an artist and what a legacy. Rave on indeed…

    PS: For fans, I’ve created an album-by-album Discography referencing the entire contents of this box (took me a while that) – it’s available in a detailed pictorial version via my Blog - Mark Barry's Discographies and Reviews..."
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    The contents of the ^ cassette compendium I have:
    https://www.discogs.com/Buddy-Holly-The-Complete-Buddy-Holly/release/9605308

    Tracklist
    1. Lubbock, Texas – Western & Bop
    A1 –Buddy Holly Gotta Get You Near Me Blues
    A2 –Buddy Holly Soft Place In My Heart
    A3 –Buddy Holly Door To My Heart
    A4 –Buddy Holly Flower Of My Heart
    A5 –Buddy Holly Baby It's Love
    A6 –Buddy Holly Memories
    A7 –Buddy Holly Queen Of The Ballroom
    A8 –Buddy Holly I Gambled My Heart
    A9 –Buddy Holly You And I Are Through
    A10 –Buddy Holly Gone
    A11 –Buddy Holly Have You Ever Been Lonely
    A12 –Buddy Holly Down The Line
    B1 –Buddy Holly Brown-Eyed Handsome Man
    B2 –Buddy Holly Bo Diddley
    B3 –Buddy Holly Good Rockin' Tonight
    B4 –Buddy Holly Rip It Up
    B5 –Buddy Holly Blue Monday
    B6 –Buddy Holly Honky Tonk
    B7 –Buddy Holly Blue Suede Shoes
    B8 –Buddy Holly Shake, Rattle & Roll
    B9 –Buddy Holly Ain't Got No Home
    B10 –Buddy Holly Holly Hop
    B11 –Buddy Holly Baby Let's Play House
    2. Nashville, Tennessee - Changing All Those Changes
    C1 –Buddy Holly I'm Gonna Set My Foot Down
    C2 –Buddy Holly Baby Won't You Come Out Tonight
    C3 –Buddy Holly Changing All Those Changes
    C4 –Buddy Holly Rock-A-Bye Rock
    C5 –Buddy Holly It's Not My Fault
    C6 –Buddy Holly I Guess I Was Just A Fool
    C7 –Buddy Holly Love Me
    C8 –Buddy Holly Don't Come Back Knockin'
    C9 –Buddy Holly Midnight Shift
    C10 –Buddy Holly Blue Days – Black Nights
    D1 –Buddy Holly Rock Around With Ollie Vee
    D2 –Buddy Holly I'm Changing All Those Changes
    D3 –Buddy Holly That'll Be The Day
    D4 –Buddy Holly Girl On My Mind
    D5 –Buddy Holly Ting-A-Ling
    D6 –Buddy Holly Because I Love You
    D7 –Buddy Holly Rock Around With Ollie Vee
    D8 –Buddy Holly Modern Don Juan
    D9 –Buddy Holly You Are My One Desire
    3. Clovis, New Mexico – Buddy Holly & The Crickets
    E1 –Buddy Holly & The Crickets (2) That'll Be The Day
    E2 –Buddy Holly & The Crickets (2) I'm Lookin' For Someone To Love
    E3 –Buddy Holly & The Crickets (2) Last Night
    E4 –Buddy Holly & The Crickets (2) Maybe Baby
    E5 –Buddy Holly & The Crickets (2) Words Of Love
    E6 –Buddy Holly & The Crickets (2) Peggy Sue
    E7 –Buddy Holly & The Crickets (2) Everyday
    E8 –Buddy Holly & The Crickets (2) Mailman Bring Me No More Blues
    E9 –Buddy Holly & The Crickets (2) Listen To Me
    E10 –Buddy Holly & The Crickets (2) I'm Gonna Love You Too
    E11 –Buddy Holly & The Crickets (2) Not Fade Away
    F1 –Buddy Holly & The Crickets (2) Ready Teddy
    F2 –Buddy Holly & The Crickets (2) Oh, Boy!
    F3 –Buddy Holly & The Crickets (2) Tell Me How
    F4 –Buddy Holly & The Crickets (2) Maybe Baby
    F5 –Buddy Holly & The Crickets (2) Send Me Some Lovin'
    F6 –Buddy Holly & The Crickets (2) Little Baby
    F7 –Buddy Holly & The Crickets (2) Take Your Time
    F8 –Buddy Holly & The Crickets (2) Rave On
    F9 –Buddy Holly & The Crickets (2) You've Got Love
    F10 –Buddy Holly & The Crickets (2) Valley Of Tears
    F11 –Buddy Holly & The Crickets (2) Rock Me My Baby
    4. Clovis, New Mexico – And On To New York
    G1 –Buddy Holly & The Crickets (2) Baby I Don't Care
    G2 –Buddy Holly & The Crickets (2) It's Too Late
    G3 –Buddy Holly & The Crickets (2) An Empty Cup (And A Broken Date)
    G4 –Buddy Holly & The Crickets (2) Look At Me
    G5 –Buddy Holly & The Crickets (2) Think It Over
    G6 –Buddy Holly & The Crickets (2) Fool's Paradise
    G7 –Buddy Holly & The Crickets (2) Early In The Morning
    G8 –Buddy Holly & The Crickets (2) Now We're One
    G9 –Buddy Holly & The Crickets (2) Lonesome Tears
    G10 –Buddy Holly & The Crickets (2) Heartbeat
    G11 –Buddy Holly & The Crickets (2) It's So Easy
    H1 –Buddy Holly & The Crickets (2) Well ... All Right
    H2 –Buddy Holly & The Crickets (2) Love's Made A Fool Of You
    H3 –Buddy Holly & The Crickets (2) Wishing
    H4 –Buddy Holly & The Crickets (2) Reminiscing
    H5 –Buddy Holly & The Crickets (2) Come Back Baby
    H6 –Buddy Holly & The Crickets (2) That's My Desire
    H7 –Buddy Holly & The Crickets (2) True Love Ways
    H8 –Buddy Holly & The Crickets (2) Moondreams
    H9 –Buddy Holly & The Crickets (2) Raining In My Heart
    H10 –Buddy Holly & The Crickets (2) It Doesn't Matter Anymore
    5. New York, N.Y. - Planning For The Future
    I1 –Buddy Holly Peggy Sue Got Married
    I2 –Buddy Holly Crying, Waiting, Hoping
    I3 –Buddy Holly Learning The Game
    I4 –Buddy Holly That Makes It Tough
    I5 –Buddy Holly What To Do
    I6 –Buddy Holly That's What They Say
    I7 –Buddy Holly Wait 'Til The Sun Shines Nellie
    I8 –Buddy Holly Umm Oh Yeah (Dearest)
    I9 –Buddy Holly Smokey Joe's Cafe
    I10 –Buddy Holly Slippin' & Slidin'
    J1 –Buddy Holly Love Is Strange
    J2 –Buddy Holly Slippin' & Slidin'
    J3 –Buddy Holly Learning The Game
    J4 –Buddy Holly Crying, Waiting, Hoping
    J5 –Buddy Holly What To Do
    J6 –Buddy Holly That Makes It Tough
    J7 –Buddy Holly Peggy Sue Got Married
    J8 –Buddy Holly That's What They Say
    J9 –Buddy Holly Dearest
    J10 –Buddy Holly You're The One
    6. The Collectors Buddy Holly
    K1 –Buddy Holly Slippin' And Slidin'
    K2 –Buddy Holly Dearest
    K3 –Buddy Holly Love Is Strange
    K4 –Buddy Holly Peggy Sue Got Married
    K5 –Buddy Holly That Makes It Tough
    K6 –Buddy Holly Learning The Game
    K7 –Buddy Holly You're The One
    K8 –Ivan (11) Real Wild Child
    K9 –Ivan (11) Oh, You Beautiful Doll
    L1 –Waylon Jennings Jole Blon
    L2 –Waylon Jennings When Sin Stops
    L3 –Lou Giordano (2) Stay Close To Me
    L4 –Lou Giordano (2) Don't Cha Know
    L5 –Buddy Holly Buddy Holly Talks About His Current Releases, Backstage At The Municipal Auditorium, Topeka, Kansas, 5th November 1957
    The Ed Sullivan Show, 1st December 1957
    L6a –Buddy Holly That'll Be The Day
    L6b –Buddy Holly Peggy Sue
    L6c –No Artist Interview With Ed Sullivan
    L7 –No Artist Buddy Holly Interviewed By Alan Freed, WNEW-TV, New York City, 2nd October, 1958
    L8a –No Artist Buddy Holly, Jerry Allison, Joe Mauldin, Interviewed By Dick Clark, WABC-TV, Philadelphia, 28th October 1958
    L8b –Buddy Holly It's So Easy

    Notes

    Comes with a 64 page book. (Beecher/Jones.)
    The Beecher/Jones book is a great pictorial account. Included with the cassette collection I have. (presumably something similar with the referenced link by you 'x' ?)
     
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    cheers, i'll compare that listing with the one i've got.

    i first got into holly at school because of one my friends. he had a 9-disc 1973 vinyl box set called The Complete Buddy Holly Story on MCA Coral COPS 7100-H/1-9. it's currently in my possession and includes a poster and a 16-page booklet (in english and german). it includes a few interview tracks, plus a message from his parents, and the two tracks with jerry allison singing as "ivan". the tracks include those finished with help from the fireballs.

    some years later it occurred to me that a cd box set was long overdue and i knew paul mccartney owned the copyright to the songs, so it was just a case of waiting, and then i pounced on it with both feet (and made sure my friend benefitted). the aforementioned 2009 6-cd set contains 203 tracks (which i can easily list with a little help from my old friend mr dos). there are severa alternate versions and failed takes of some songs (eg: mona, which isn't on the 1973 album), not to mention versions with and without the fireballs. also some with tweaks for radio jingles, etc.

    i did buy a double cd some years back that was of german origin and it was obvious to me that one of the vocal was not buddy holly. my friend suggested it might have been david box, a later crickets lead vocalist. as it happens, last xmas one of my friends bought me a triple-cd album called the barry records story and it includes a track by david box called "If You Can't Say Something Nice". it's on youtube (i'd include a link, but i'm trying to keep this post as small as possible).

    the 203 tracks - you'll excuse me if i get as many as possible onto each line. the first 15 on disc 1 i've listed as buddy&bob (and altered the running order a little to put them together). all others are down as by buddy holly, ignoring whether they were listed as the crickets or bh and the crickets.

    Not Fade Away - The Complete Studio Recordings And More

    disk 1 (35 tracks) [i've changed the sequence here so that the first 15 listed as buddy & bob]

    I'll Just Pretend, Take These Shackles From My Heart, Footprints In The Snow, Flower Of My Heart, Door To My Heart, Soft Place In My Heart, Gotta Get You Near Me Blues, I Gambled My Heart, You And I Are Through, Down The Line, You And I Are Through, Baby, It's Love, Memories, Queen Of The Ballroom, Memories, [remainder as buddy holly] My Two-Timin' Woman, Baby, Let's Play House, Down The Line, Moonlight Baby (aka Baby, Won't You Come Out Tonight), I Guess I Was Just A Fool, Don't Come Back Knockin', Love Me, Midnight Shift, Midnight Shift (false start), Don't Come Back Knockin' (alt), Don't Come Back Knockin', Blue Days, Black Nights, Love Me, Baby Won't You Come Out Tonight, I Guess I Was Just A Fool, It's Not My Fault, I'm Gonna Set My Foot Down, Changin' All Those Changes, Rock-A-Bye Rock, Because I Love You

    disc 2 (36 tracks)

    Rock Around With Ollie Vee, I'm Changin' All Those Changes, That'll Be The Day, Girl On My Mind, Ting-A-Ling, Rock Around With Ollie Vee, Modern Don Juan, You Are My One Desire (false start), You Are My One Desire, Gone, Gone, Gone (alt), Have You Ever Been Lonely (incomplete alt), Have You Ever Been Lonely (alt), Have You Ever Been Lonely, Brown-Eyed Handsome Man, Good Rockin' Tonight, Rip It Up, Blue Monday, Honky Tonk, Blue Suede Shoes, Shake, Rattle And Roll, Bo Diddley, Ain't Got No Home, Holly Hop, Brown-Eyed Handsome Man, Bo Diddley, I'm Looking For Someone To Love, That'll Be The Day, Last Night (undubbed), Maybe Baby (first version), Words Of Love, Mailman Bring Me No More Blues, Not Fade Away (alt), Not Fade Away, Everyday

    disc 3 (34 tracks)

    Ready Teddy, Valley Of Tears, That'll Be The Day (Greetings To Bob Thiele), That'll Be The Day (Greetings To Murray Deutch), That'll Be The Day (Greetings To Bill Randle), Peggy Sue (alt), Peggy Sue, Listen To Me, Oh Boy (undubbed), I'm Gonna Love You Too, Send Me Some Lovin' (undubbed), It's Too Late (undubbed), Oh Boy, An Empty Cup (And A Broken Date), Rock Me My Baby, You've Got Love, Maybe Baby, Last Night, Send Me Some Lovin', It's Too Late, Tell Me How, Little Baby, (You're So Square) Baby I Don't Care, Look At Me, Mona (rehearsal), Mona (version 1), Mona (version 2), Mona (version 3), Rave On, That's My Desire (undubbed master), Well... All Right, Fool's Paradise (alt 1), Fool's Paradise (alt 2), Fool's Paradise (undubbed master)

    disc 4 (32 tracks)

    Think It Over (rehearsal), Think It Over (undubbed alt), Think It Over (undubbed master), Take Your Time (alt), Take Your Time, Fool's Paradise, Think It Over, Lonesome Tears, It's So Easy, Heartbeat, Love's Made A Fool Of You (undubbed), Early In The Morning, Now We're One (fragment), Now We're One, Come Back Baby, Reminiscing (undubbed), True Love Ways (mono), True Love Ways (stereo), It Doesn't Matter Anymore (mono), It Doesn't Matter Anymore (stereo), Raining In My Heart (mono), Raining In My Heart (stereo), Moondreams (mono), Moondreams (stereo), You're The One, That's What They Say, What To Do, Peggy Sue Got Married, That Makes It Tough, Crying, Waiting, Hoping, Learning The Game, Wait Till The Sun Shines Nellie

    disc 5 (33 tracks)

    Slippin' And Slidin' (slow version 1), Slippin' And Slidin' (slow version #), Slippin' And Slidin' (fast version), Drown In My Own Tears (fragment) (+Buddy & Maria Elena Talking In Apartment), Dearest (alt), Dearest, Untitled Instrumental (aka Buddy's Guitar aka Tremolo Instrumental), Love Is Strange, Smokey Joe's Cafe, Peggy Sue Got Married, Crying, Waiting, Hoping, That's What They Say (v2), What To Do, Learning The Game, That Makes It Tough, Baby Won't You Come Out Tonight, Because I Love You, Changin' All Those Changes, I'm Gonna Set My Foot Down, It's Not My Fault, Rock-A-Bye Rock, Brown-Eyed Handsome Man, Bo Diddley, What To Do (v2), Peggy Sue Got Married (v2), Crying, Waiting, Hoping (v2), That Makes It Tough (v2), That's What They Say (v2), Learning The Game (v2), Reminiscing, Wait Till The Sun Shines Nellie, Dearest (v2), Slippin' And Slidin' (slow version 2)

    disc 6 (33 tracks)

    Baby Let's Play House (I Wanna Play House With You), Down The Line, Wait Till The Sun Shines Nellie (overdub v2), Reminiscing, Flower Of My Heart, Door To My Heart, Soft Place In My Heart, I Gambled My Heart, Gotta Get You Near Me Blues, Gone (v3), Rip It Up, Honky Tonk, Blue Suede Shoes, Shake Rattle And Roll, You And I Are Through, Baby It's Love, Memories, Queen Of The Ballroom, Love's Made A Fool Of You, Wishing (mono), Wishing (stereo), Maybe Baby, That's My Desire, Have You Ever Been Lonely, Good Rockin' Tonight, Blue Monday, Ain't Got No Home, Holly Hop, Slippin' And Slidin'You're The One, Love Is Strange, (Ummm, Oh Yeah) Dearest, Smokey Joe's Cafe



    a few years back i saw some cds by "buddy holly and the picks". investigation revealed that some of the original backing vocals were done by various members of a family called the pickerings. it appears someone had the dreadful idea of getting the same people to sing over some holly songs they may have done some of the original backing on. the results i heard sounded like someone locked in a bathroom singing over the radio.


    just noticed the 6-cd set was a limited edition of 7000.
     
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    Pretty well (on first glance) the same catalogue as the list I posted. Maybe some retakes or dupes. I'll need to find and compare with the originals ( as per my list, which I know is authentic).
    One thing for certain my friend - I doubt there's anything out there in addition to what we have already heard that will surface in the future. The Apartment Tapes are the end of the line !



     
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    Two versions ( as many times there were)...



    the one I remember best...



    Love this version...

     
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    Quite a list built on basically 4 chords.
     
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    I chord more than a lot of bands. And 3 chords more than a lot of Bo Diddley's stuff.
     
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    That's probably as far as my musical insight into Buddy Holly goes. I'm not a massive fan of his music, but i won't deny he's one of the most important and influential musicians of all time.
     
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    He was a very good guitarist too, which is sometimes overlooked. Listening make me feel young again.
     
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    I am willing to bet the Gallagher brothers liked his stuff.
     
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    A lot of people who would later become famous started off by copying Buddy Holly's guitar playing, including Keith Richards. Bob Dylan said seeing Buddy Holly was a life changing experience. But what would they know compared to some on here?
     
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    Noel Gallagher put together a compilation CD for Mojo Magazine, it was titled (and included) Well...All Right.

     
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    Bo Diddley showing the number of chords don't matter. Or the number of words. Forward it to 3.20.
    Also featuring Cookie V, a female exuding more sex appeal than the half-naked bombers gyrating about on stage nowadays.

     
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    my 6-cd box set is in the format of a large book, and does contain around 80 pages of biography and details about the tracks.
     
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    That all depends on the tuning of the guitar Castro, if you ever watch Keith Richards, Barry Gibb, and some others, they don't actually play chords. I think its called G tuning which enables guitarist to play most tunes by just moving one finger up and down the fret board. And with some older guitarist, Bo Diddley, and Chuck Berry included, and disregarding their fantastic riffs, they only used 6 bar and 12 bar fingering. I've never actually tried this G tuning lark as I mostly play a 12 string, which is hard enough to keep in tune, so altering all 12 strings to a different tuning type is not my idea of fun.
     
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    As big a fan that I am, I never realized he & the Crickets performed in Hull ! How the hell did I miss that ?

     
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    My grandparents have that poster framed in their front room. They both went to that gig.
     
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    Peggy Sue was one of the first things I learnt, along with Wonderwall and Weller's, Wildwood.

    All very simple stuff, but they help you sound like can actually play guitar.

    The hard part is the songwriting itself, that's where the genius lies.
     
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