The question was do you think that the people shouting loudest in the leave campaign who were then temporarily most of them in government have done a good job for Leave voters?
I have always agreed that the negotiations have not been good, however it doesn't help when you have remain MP's going to Brussels and undermining our hand. It didn't help having a remainer like Olly Robbins doing our dealing. It should have been someone who knows how brokered big deals. May wanted to please everyone which you can't do. I would have gone to Brussels and said we have voted to leave and we will on the date with a no deal. We would like a free trade deal.
For me, they did a good job in getting the 52% leave vote on a shoestring, faced with government spending massive amounts to manufacture a Remain vote. Of course, individual politicians can be criticised. There's not one that comes out smelling of roses, but again, for me, they smell a lot better than the Osbornes, Rudds, Adonises, Blairs, Majors
Tusk, who has long hoped that Brexit would somehow be called off, said it was now clear that the divorce will happen. There is no "leadership for remain,” he said. The priority now is to avoid no-deal, and to safeguard an open Irish border. He said the EU won’t "gamble with peace," and won’t accept a time limit on the backstop. As I said and Goldie mentioned, Tusk looked broken. Realisation has set in and his hopes for Chukka and co to derail the process has failed. I bet he wished he never had any "cake to eat"? It's the way you say things and the way you deliver it can say so much. He was on a downer. The ERG and business has drawn up a 300 page document for a free trade deal (Malthouse) and that is gaining pace. It will solve many of the problems but will the house agree it?
Yeah, Major's a winner alright. What a great financial and political record he has, not to say the triumph of ****ing Edwina
Well it’s too late now, we are where we are. It’s been an epic fail to date from all political perspectives, UK and EU, and incredibly stressful to many ordinary people, however they voted. Nobody has anything to be proud of. In my opinion.
There’s a lot of great bars in Brussels, including the excellent Delirium, and exceptional moules and frites. But I prefer the smaller Belgian towns, like Ypres and Bruges.
You know what I meant. However on a serious note I did once have a very good drunken weekend in Brussels.
May was weak in negotiations which is hardly beyond dispute. Beyond that, it is subjective, Stan. For Remainers, it's a lot of trouble to change something they felt was not broken, or rather, was broken but could be mended from within (despite years of trying). For Leavers, nothing worthwhile comes easy but independence to make all our own decisions will be worth all the effort.
Don’t want June Claude Druncker anywhere near the booze lol, that piss head will drink it all before we even get anywhere near hell.
The other thing these loony right-wing fanatics want to do to make us 'more efficient and competitive' is to 'deregulate the labour market' - shorthand for removing workers' rights. These rights have largely been won and protected through our EU membership, so as soon as we're out they want to start dismantling them. Corbyn has made clear that they must remain protected, the dirty Commie.
