Oh dear and many in Italy are 2222ed off with the EU and blame them for what's happened to them. The whole thing is coming down. Glad we will be out of it.
Crisis brewing in Italy will lead to default, exit from the euro, or both https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2019/02/03/crisis-brewing-italy-will-lead-default-exit-euro/
Abject dismissal of hard facts and examples with platitudes. The organisations I listed are responsible for high net worth jobs. 1,000 HSBC jobs isn't something we should dismiss out of hand. The employment rate can be 100% and we can still have an issue if the top 1% of earners, who pay c28% of income tax, are being moved out of the country. As for the point about other countries moving jobs to the UK, I think this fundamentally misunderstands how reliant the UK is on the service sector, which services much of Europe. Economies reliant more heavily on manufacturing (eg Germany) will have less need (or ability) to move jobs to the UK. No coincidence that most of the organisations I listed are service based. Let me ask the question more directly - do you think that Brexit, in the medium term, will lead to a net loss or net gain in terms of UK jobs? Edit - I'd be interested to see some examples of European companies moving jobs to the UK to prepare for Brexit in line with examples I gave.
HSBC is hardly wedded to the UK. Gulliver was going to move the whole thing back to HK if I recall right. The answer to your question depends on whether there is a deal. A good deal. Probably no change. No deal. Recovery from short term job losses here and on the Continent, but long term, a more global approach to Britain's trade will bring jobs, give control and save the billions we pay into the EU black hole. Let me ask you a question. Vital though it is, do you believe the only consideration on the Brexit vote should have been the economy?
Then you have a tunnel-visioned, City-orientated perspective and cannot see that throughout the country, it was also about identity, community and borders.
You asked 'should it have been'. I believe it should but understand it was mainly about immigration, infact I would say up to %90 of people I know voted due to that. It wont change regardless of deal or no deal
Oh goodness, how reductive. A lazy trope which is the equivalent of me calling you a thick, jingoistic etc. For the record, not what I think. Happy to disagree slightly more respectfully than that. I'm perfectly capable of understanding that for other people it was about identify, sovereignty and a multitude of others issues, without those issues being important for me, or indeed without even agreeing with other people that those issues are important! What does frustrate me is people refusing to be honest with themselves and others and admit that this is likely to have a negative economic impact, but that for them, it's a price worth paying. I'd respect that much more than the head in sand dismissal of the type of examples I gave.
Mass immigration of the kind we saw during Blair's Govt (and for which the Labour Party subsequently apologised) goes to all three elements I mentioned
The immigration issue will always be there. It wont change, am I correct in thinking that they have come up with this idea of people can stay for 3 months?? Sounds like what we have already had in place all the time. Be prepared also for more non EU immigration to fill many voids left in our services. If people are truly honest and not scared of the racism card being branded around, then they would admit that its non EU immigration that has caused most friction, with ghettos springing up in cities, divisive communities, inequality, more mosques than churches. Be prepared for more of this!!!
Don't create straw men, I'm not calling you those things. But your perspective is as narrow as a citizen of Boston, Lincs who feels surrounded by Polish speakers and is blind to other considerations. I have said, a no deal would probably have a temporary, negative effect on the economy here and in certain EU member states. There is no mass exodus from the City at present. Hoards of Brits are not relocating to Frankfurt. Some European ops in some financial institutions are moving to the Continent as part of contingency plans. As I say, this is largely hedging, preparing for a worst case basis. It can be undone later as necessary.[/QUOTE]
I don't think we'll see that scale of immigration again. A certain amount is healthy but parties can be voted out of office based on their immigration record. Great care needs to be taken as to who comes in, EU and non EU, and someone needs to get a handle on the illegals, to grant asylum or deport
You see how many companies will relocate here when the house of cards comes falling down. I will say this... it won't be long.
[/QUOTE] Err, you literally did call me those things when you used the words, "Then you have a..." And no, my perspective isn't necessarily as narrow as anyone else's. It will be broader than some and narrower than others, on either side.
Spot on. All I am hearing now is 'no deal'. Javid/Fox today saying we will manage it. May confirming that we will leave on 29th March. Preparations going in at borders. We won't be having the same scale of immigration as before. I read a fab article on the government wanting very high skilled workers from abroad to work here. That is the way forward. We need to now train properly from within as well.
Err, you literally did call me those things when you used the words, "Then you have a..." And no, my perspective isn't necessarily as narrow as anyone else's. It will be broader than some and narrower than others, on either side.[/QUOTE] I think you mean "virtually" because those are your words not mine, and for the record, I can't see that either are true of you. But you have a single focus, and share that with others that I suspect you would criticise.
I think you mean "virtually" because those are your words not mine, and for the record, I can't see that either are true of you. But you have a single focus, and share that with others that I suspect you would criticise.[/QUOTE] Post 12536483. Your words. In black and white. The reason I answered your question about whether the economy "should" (an important word in your question) have been the only consideration positively, is not because it's the only issue I have opinions about. That's an assumption you've made without asking me further questions. Eg I think the idea of sovereignty in a globalized economy facing global issues is a myth, hence it shouldn't be a consideration.
Not sure be did, or cares Staines, Diesel vehicles produced in Japan are just as suspect as they are when produced in Sunderland.
