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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

    56 vote(s)
    47.9%
  2. Get out

    61 vote(s)
    52.1%
  1. DT’s Socks

    DT’s Socks Well-Known Member

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    I have plenty of walnuts plus can catch fresh trout from my garden at will
     
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  2. Sooperhoop

    Sooperhoop Well-Known Member

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    The remoaners will be stockpiling sour grapes from the Euro sour grapes mountain, mainly from DT's region...:grin:
     
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  3. kiwiqpr

    kiwiqpr Barnsie Mod

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    Gibraltar 'colony' row flares up as EU agrees visa-free travel for UK citizens even after no-deal Brexit
    Britons won't need a visa for short stays in Europe - but Theresa May is angered by Gibraltar being branded a "colony" by the EU.
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      Downing Street has said it is "completely unacceptable" to describe Gibraltar as a "colony", after the term was used in an EU document.
      On Friday, EU ambassadors agreed to allow UK citizens visa-free travel to the continent - even after a no-deal Brexit.
      But the proposal prompted a fresh row over "The Rock".
      Britons travelling to the bloc's borderless Schengen area - made up of 26 European countries - after 29 March should be granted visa-free travel for a short stay, the European Council proposed.
      This is defined as 90 days in any 180 days.
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      Image: UK citizens won't need visas for short stays
      A document detailing the plan states: "Considering the geographical proximity, the link between economies, the level of trade and the extent of short-term movements of persons between the UK and the Union for business, leisure or other purposes, visa-free travel should facilitate tourism and economic activity, thereby bringing benefits to the Union."
      The European Parliament, which last month supported visa-free travel even in the event of a no-deal Brexit, is now expected to turn the decision into legislation.
     
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  4. Sooperhoop

    Sooperhoop Well-Known Member

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    Who the f*ck does old Jug Ears think he is?...

     
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  5. kiwiqpr

    kiwiqpr Barnsie Mod

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    anti stab knives anyone

    Dawn Butler: 'Knife crime could have reduced if Labour rolled out anti-stab knives'
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    By Thea de Gallier - @theadegallier
    Thursday, January 31, 2019
    Labour MP Dawn Butler has said that if “anti-stab knives” had been rolled out by the last Labour government, knife crime could have decreased in the years since.
    Speaking to Eamonn Holmes on talkRADIO, the MP for Brent said that during the last Labour government, measures of reducing violent crime were looked at, including round-ended knives that could not be used for stabbing.
    “In 2006, we had a violent crime reduction bill,” she said.
    “This looked at lots of different measures that would help in tackling knife crime, and one was if you carry a knife, you get an instant five-year sentence. It was a good deterrent.
    “Then we looked at other things, because what we established was, that most of the stabbings that happened were people grabbing a knife out of the kitchen drawer on impulse.
    “They were getting them from the home, so we were trying to roll out anti-stab knives.
    “It was a way of stopping the sales of ordinary knives to under-16s, and making sure all the knives sold were anti-stab knives with a rounded tip.”
    'They could still cut throats'
    Holmes pointed out that such knives could still be used to cut throats, which Ms Butler agreed they could.
    “You’re saying everyone’s got to go their cutlery drawer and replace their knives with anti-stab knives?” he said.
    “If we’d done it in 2006, by now, knives would have automatically started to have been replaced. It’s just one small incremental change that could help,” Ms Butler replied.
    Holmes countered: “But gangs could use anything, screwdrivers, machetes?”
    “It’s not the complete answer - all we can do is have incremental changes,” she responded.
    'Not realistic' to ban offenders from social media
    She also criticised Sajid Javid’s Knife Crime Prevention Order, which includes giving police powers to limit offenders’ social media use, saying it was unrealistic to expect their internet use to be restricted.
    “How are you going to do that? Unless you’re going to lock them in a room with no wifi signal, how are you going to do it? It’s not realistic,” Ms Butler said.
    She continued that removing gang-related content on social media may be more effective.
    “There are other things that can be used, for instance, some of the violent videos on social media, making sure they get taken down quickly, making sure there’s no retaliation.
    “What happens is you’ve got one gang, they’ll post something saying they’ve nicked something, then another gang retaliates and it escalates.”
    She added: “ Sajid Javid’s new proposal doesn’t get to the root of the problem to solve the crime.”
     
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  6. Wherever

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    Not laughing but feel totally shamed and
    ive read that already
     
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    News takes a long time to get to New Zealand, about 12 years in normal circumstances. Then it has to wait in line during Kiwi’s 24/7 scan of everything in the Internet, before dumping it unwanted back on the other side of the world.
     
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  8. GoldhawkRoad

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    Perhaps they'll make a whine out of it :emoticon-0100-smile
     
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  9. kiwiqpr

    kiwiqpr Barnsie Mod

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    This is the European Commission building.
     
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  10. DT’s Socks

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    Gib is a haven for tax doggers hate the place
     
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  11. Sooperhoop

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    Members only...<laugh>
     
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  12. DT’s Socks

    DT’s Socks Well-Known Member

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    Grape shortage in the Languedoc due to the storms low harvest yields last year

    The crap the English drink it won’t matter either way
     
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  13. DT’s Socks

    DT’s Socks Well-Known Member

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    Here’s a true observation of what goes on in my area

    I purchased my current house which was a ex wine growers hamlet ... the vineyards were sold as a different plot ... they were snapped up by an co-op that operates about 10km away

    Two years they ripped out the vines and moved in the donkeys who in three months had sorted out the extra parts of land to make the maximising the land area

    Recently they now planted yellow eternal flowers used in production of perfume etc ... big demand
    So they are on the ball to the changes markets already and that just in a village

    Vines are going everywhere flowers are the new cash crop ... been told it’s the oil and a brand new barn complex all ready for the 2019 harvest

    Meanwhile in the U.K. costmetic firms like L’octaine are booming as the lasses paint their faces to look like clowns

    So no stockpile or wine mountains here just clever planning to the projected markets

    The U.K. will however be stockpiling it’s waste and ****e as won’t get rid of the amounts we as the worse in Europe and chuck away more than anyone ... understandable we are the shop of Europe

    Market control is done from Europe and everyone is getting ready to sell to the grubby little island

    The French I know just cannot understand the brits but they know they are greedy mugs who won’t even stop going into debt just to have their little prizes. Maybe prices will rise who knows but the French have product and I will wager against anyone the British will still buy it

    Hopefully as a future French citizen i can sell my Walnuts back to Brits

    Brexiteers price is currently €15 a kilo
    Remainers can have them for €6 a kilo
     
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  14. kiwiqpr

    kiwiqpr Barnsie Mod

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    question time
     
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  15. Turkish" Premier" Hoops

    Turkish" Premier" Hoops Well-Known Member

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    You really are a British hating europhile arrogant buttwipe.
     
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  16. Turkish" Premier" Hoops

    Turkish" Premier" Hoops Well-Known Member

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    Don’t assume we don’t know a decent wine from a bad French plonk.
     
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  17. Star of David Bardsley

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    You could put de-icer in a bottle and call it Prosecco and about 75% of us wouldn’t know the difference until we were frothing at the mouth.
     
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  18. YorkshireHoopster

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    What a selective memory you have. The first nine months were wasted by the leadership election and then the most stupid election campaign ever fought. Throughout that and the next year or so she blustered and threatened while David Davies played the fool. The only reason she said a deal would be easy was because all you Brexiteers thought it would be. You overestimated the importance of the UK to the rest of Europe. You must also be a remarkably good lip reader or have very acute hearing to have heard the EU leadership say under its breath 'but we'll make you pay for it'. They didn't. They said we must agree the debt first for the remainder of the 2 year period and unpaid past benefits received which had not been fully paid for. that was something which in principle nobody could disagree with especially as at that stage we said that it was a hallmark of British behaviour to pay its debts. That was correct but now it seems all Brexiteers say that should not have been said ever. May and others did temper that with various threats not to pay over a penny and to review the status of all EU nationals working lawfully in this country. How can you forget that disgraceful posturing?

    It was part of the cloud cuckoo land Brexiteers live in to even think that they would agree to a trade deal first with a departing member company which has uttered threats from day one after the Referendum. If they had done so they would have been criticised for surrendering to UK threats and demands and as you have said the EU has history of negotiating deals down to the last minute. Even more madness which none of you could see that if was all that easy and rosy to forge new trade deals, so much time should not have been wasted arguing over the size of the bill - after all we all knew there would be a bill to be paid and presumably someone in Whitehall had records which could be looked at in good time. As I understand it £39 billion was a reasonable price agreed with considerable concessions being made on both sides - the sort of compromise you and I are both accustomed to negotiating for our respective clients.

    It's very easy now for you all to heap the blame on to May when the whole Brexit camp was guilty of the same lack of preparation, over-confidence,negligence and bungling. It wasn't until the Chequers meeting that May finally had enough and forced everyone to give up their mobile phones and recording equipment before she started the meeting and got them all to agree with her proposals. What an incredible lack of balls and fighting spirit was shown then. Nobody walked out or left. They all signed up and waited a while to ponder their conscience before doing anything.

    Nobody challenged her but all sniped away insidiously. eventually when JRM eventually called for a leadership contest neither nor any of the other leaders put themselves forward and he could only muster a measly 23 votes. Pathetic. Meanwhile the clock kept ticking. And throughout all this time, the UK had ignored the Irish question - something which Barnier had stated at the very outset to be one of the three big issues to be resolved.

    So in summary, yes I agree May has been a disaster.
    But the blame falls equally on the shoulders of the Brexit leadership for lack of leadership, statesmanship and lack of a more sensible strategy from the outset. She has
    steered the UK straight at the iceberg because she has been listening to conflicting and ill-thought out advice and tactics from her Brexit war commanders. The rudders were not broken. She was paralysed for so long in taking effective action by the ineptitude of those around her and only telling her what to do through interviews with tame journalists - the sort who put up pictures of judges and opponents with their addresses and labels of traitor. Nice. Civilized. None of the patriots in the Tory leadership tried to wrest control of the steering wheel from her until we were too close to the iceberg.

    Finally on a lighter note, there is an easy way out of this impasse. **** the DUP . They've had their money and have failed to give the support they promised to the government to govern. Tear up the deal. Reinstate the backstop in full and then agree the trade deal within the implementation period. There are vast untold riches waiting for British entrepeneurs to plunder with the rest of the World while continuing to drive their BMWs, stocking their Bosch fridge freezers and continuing to gorge on foie gras , snails and haute French cuisine. So what are you waiting for? Get on with it.
     
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    Speak for yourself. I can always tell a good surrender wine when I see it. The maginot vintage is particularly good at going down without a struggle. It's normally a red but goes yellow very quickly.
     
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  20. Quite Possibly Raving

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    Great post. History may well be a lot kinder to May than we are today. Who could/would succeed in her shoes? She has an impossible task.
     
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