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Iran v Israel - Who is the real villain?

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by Vilsmeier-Haack Reaction, Sep 5, 2011.

  1. Hash.

    Hash. pure daycent

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    [video=youtube;d5McvSpcUIA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5McvSpcUIA[/video]
     
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  2. Bhoy From Brum

    Bhoy From Brum Well-Known Member

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    Thats the famous Red Hand Salute <doh>
     
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  3. Vilsmeier-Haack Reaction

    Vilsmeier-Haack Reaction Well-Known Member

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    In fact there is such thing as ultra-orthodox jews who claim the Jewish occupation of Palestine and the existence of the state of Israel is sacrilage and want its destruction/abolishment/disbandment, whatever, they just want rid
     
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  4. NSIS

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    The OP has singularly failed to respond, or to answer, any of the allegations levelled against the totalitarian regime of Iran. Instead, he just levels more accusations against Israel. It is therefore pointless debating with someone who's agenda is so blinkered, and obvious - not to mention bigoted.
     
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  5. Vilsmeier-Haack Reaction

    Vilsmeier-Haack Reaction Well-Known Member

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    I believe I have made an effort to answer each one, despite the off topic nature of most of them, so I believe your assertion is false.

    It would make a welcome change if people would actually discuss the original topic and debate whether the international double standards concerning both state's nuclear ambitions are fair especially considering Iran seems to be the much more compliant of the two with regards to international protocol. Not a debate on each state's respective human rights records.
     
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  6. eddieveeee

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    Jacky, every statement Dev makes is backed up by sources, solid sources. These are not assertions. What hes giving you is facts and conclusions based on solid intelligence
     
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  7. Wenger's Optician

    Wenger's Optician Active Member

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    That's odd isn't it? The Iranian Jews are happy living in a country run by Islamic fundamentalist nutters who hate Jews.

     
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  8. thefanwithnoname

    thefanwithnoname Well-Known Member

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    This was taken from a radio 4's Today programme, from an interview with John Pilger in December 2010. date the 10th i think
    the report was released by the UNHRC

    The report is available on the web, I cant be arsed going through the whole report to find the exact number of page etc. but i am sure you will read it (around 56 pages) <ok>
     
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  9. thefanwithnoname

    thefanwithnoname Well-Known Member

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    between 1967 and 2000 iraq broke 68 UN resolutions inc human rights abuses and was attacked
    Israel has over 130 in the same period

    The IAEA resolutions against Iran are not supported by russia china and germany, its mainly being pushed by israel's allies USA, UK an France
    Iran allows inspections, Israel flaunts all IAEA resolutions. Mainly due to USA vetoes.

    Iran is in the USA top 10 of human rights abusers, china isnt

    If you look at the articles under human rights law, israel is a bigger violater than iran. The US since guantanemo is there
    as are countries such as brazil, angola, belarus etc
     
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  10. thefanwithnoname

    thefanwithnoname Well-Known Member

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    i seriously think you need to look at the notion of israel and its creation after ww2.

    the point is that surely if iran is 'anti semetic' then the jews in iran are in danger and would welcome a safe homeland away from persecution etc?

    unless of course its bubbles and they are happy, safe and content and have representatives in parliamet

    Your second paragraph doesnt make sense tbh. If jews in iran are told that jews are evil personified and should be wiped off the face of the earth by their muslim govt etc, surely that is reason to move and not stay?
     
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  11. thefanwithnoname

    thefanwithnoname Well-Known Member

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    you say this because?

    israel had/has war crimninals as rulers, does/has iran?

    these alleagtions of yours are without foundation/fact. based on brainwashing
     
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  12. MrRAWhite

    MrRAWhite Well-Known Member

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    The Jewish population in Iran has fell from over 100,000 before the 1979 revolution, to as low as as 11,000 at present. This tells me that there is a problem.
    The total non-muslim population in Iran today represents only 2% of the population, and virtually all non-muslim groups have reported examples of persecution, torture and execution in recent years.
     
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  13. THFC6061

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    "In Iran we don't have homosexuals like in your country" - Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Sep 24, 2007


    I wonder why?


    please log in to view this image
     
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  14. NSIS

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    Surely their human rights record is all part of their behaviour, and attitude, as a government. Given Iran's shocking record, and the attitude of their current "government" (I prefer dictatoship) on the international stage, they are clearly the far more dangerous holder of nuclear weapons capability.
     
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  15. NSIS

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    Absolute rubbish. What I have stated are FACTS. Iran IS a dictatorship - simpple as. What is propaganda about that???
     
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  16. Medro

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    Yeah because that's the way it works. Up sticks and move to a different country because of your religion? I'm sure people there would say "Why should we move?" like many other people in areas throughout the world.
     
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  17. thefanwithnoname

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    this is the problem right here. youre source is incorrect, as it is probably taken from an anti iran source.

    The facts are that there are upto 40, 000 persian jews in Iran. in terms of most jews its israel, america and iran in that order

    Notable population centers include Tehran, Isfahan and Shiraz. Historically, Jews maintained a presence in many more Iranian cities.
    Jews are protected in the Iranian constitution and seat is reserved for a Jew in the Majlis.
    Iran hosts the largest Jewish population of any Muslim-majority country.
    After Israel, it is home to the second-largest Jewish population in the Middle East.
     
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  18. thefanwithnoname

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    did you know that homosexuals cannot give blood in this country? it is currently being discussed to see if this 'lifetime' ban can be lifted
     
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  19. thefanwithnoname

    thefanwithnoname Well-Known Member

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    How can it be facts when you have clearly said 'IMO' and 'i prefer to call it a dictorship' etc?

    These are as i said without foundation/fact. yes you disagree but its not based on anything other than opinion. biased at that
     
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  20. Medro

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    Rank Country Jews % of World Jewish Population
    1 Israel 5,703,700 42.5%
    2 United States 5,275,000 39.3%
    3 France 483,500 3.6%
    4 Canada 375,000 2.8%
    5 United Kingdom 292,000 2.2%
    6 Russia 205,000 1.5%
    7 Argentina 182,300 1.4%
    8 Germany 119,000 0.9%
    9 Australia 107,500 0.8%
    10 Brazil 95,600 0.7%
    11 Ukraine 71,500 0.5%
    12 South Africa 70,800 0.5%
    13 Hungary 48,600 0.4%
    14 Mexico 39,400 0.3%
    15 Belgium 30,300 0.2%

    Country Total Population Jews % Jewish of Total Population
    Israel 7,255,400 5,413,800 74.6%
    West Bank and Gaza 3,966,700 289,900 7.3%
    Total Israel &
    Disputed Territories 11,222,100 5,703,700 50.8%
    Azerbaijan 8,934,000 6,400 0.07%
    Georgia 4,219,000 3,200 0.08%
    Kazakhstan 15,753,00 3,700 <.05%
    Kyrgyzstan 5,555,000 600 <.05%
    Turkmenistan 5,177,000 200 <.05%
    Uzbekistan 27,794,000 4,500 <.05%
    Total FSU in Asia 77,597,000 18,600 <.05%
    China 1,361,763,000 1,500 <.05%
    India 1,214,464,000 5,000 <.05%
    Iran 75,078,000 10,400 <.05%
     
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