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Discussion in 'Southampton' started by ChilcoSaint, Feb 23, 2016.

  1. San Tejón

    San Tejón Well-Known Member

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    McDonald’s and KFC the latest companies to warn that a no deal brexit could cause chaos.

    Not the chicken! :emoticon-0107-sweat
     
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  3. Onionman

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    Compare with the letter from the supermarkets and the BRC to MPs today:
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    Who'd have thunk it? The people who rent warehouse space know more than Imps.

    Don't worry, I know that the management of Sainsburys, Asda, M&S, Co-op, Waitrose, Costcutter, KFC, Pret-a-Manger, Lidl, McDonalds and the British Retail Consortium are all part of an anti-referendum conspiracy. Though I'm sure that at some point those assertions might begin to wear a tad thin even for you.

    Is there a weight of evidence where you'll stop telling us it's wrong/biased reporting/the person saying it is biased/on the make/in the pay of the EU and start saying "yes, No Deal will be utterly ****"? Can you see how daft Leave's head-in-the-sand-it'll-all-be-fine attitude looks?

    Vin
     
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  4. ChilcoSaint

    ChilcoSaint What a disgrace
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    The government have decided to support the Brady amendment which replaces the backstop with “alternative arrangements” which will avoid a hard border in Ireland. This is, frankly, baffling and it will be intriguing how the EU reacts, especially if the May deal ends up going through with this change. The EU have always insisted the backstop has to be part of the May deal.
     
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  5. San Tejón

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    I work in the Lidl depot and see first hand how much stock comes into the chill, freezer, fresh meat/poultry/fish and fruit and veg departments.
    We don’t have space to stockpile. And even if we did, some lines, especially salads, don’t have a long enough shelf life to warrant it. At a push we could, with some lines, carry enough perishable stock to supply stores for two days, but that would mean, potentially, items with a seven day life not reaching the stores until they have 4/5 days life left. Less if they have arrived at the depot a day late owing to import issues.
    Most of our poultry comes from Ireland, and I believe this is pretty much the same for all supermarkets.
    A lot of fruit and veg comes up daily from Spain and a lot of our chill products (as we are a German company) come in everyday from Germany.
    Most of the above (probably not the lorries from Germany) will impact on all supermarkets and there will likely be a massive impact on supply when there are delays at borders, as a result of coming out of the customs union.
    Delays will impact on the shelf life, which could lead to shortlife products being reduced in price or binned, costing supermarkets a fortune. Those losses will be passed onto the consumer at the till, through increased prices.
    Other factors that would push prices up, when lorries start arriving late at the depot, is the need to have staff available to unload them, beyond the shifts that currently end at 13.00 for Goods In. Plus the need for the picking crews to go round the departments twice, to collect items that arrived late, potentially adding more overtime/staff to the wage bill, that will have to be met by someone.
    Then, if orders aren’t collated in time, owing to missing/late deliveries arriving, you have the choice of sending shops less than what they ordered, leading to shortages on the shop shelves, or you make the drivers taking the stock to the stores wait, creating a demand for more overtime pay, and a logistical problem when drivers arriving to load up can’t, because the first group of lorries are still occupying the loading bays.

    It’s a feck up waiting to happen.
     
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    Such a mess.
    Two years of talking and no nearer a conclusion.
    Right, I'm off to stock pile dry pasta shells.........
     
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  7. davecg69

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    But it’ll all be the fault of the EU (who’ve done nothing for 2 years except stare out of a window or go on holiday) or the Remoaners who are just making it difficult for everyone. We will have control! Whoopee .....
     
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    No doubt Rees Mogg and co are pleased foodstuff in short supply will be rationed by price.
     
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    First job when brexit is done, eat Boris Johnson! <laugh>
     
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  10. San Tejón

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    Theresa May wants MPs to support the amendment put forward by Sir Graham Brady.
    Boris asks what changes the amendment will bring and is told by May - “We won’t know unless you back the amendment”.
    I might not be the sharpest tool in the political toolbox, but if you are putting forward amendments to the previous agreement, shouldn’t you have already spoken to the EU in order to find out IF they will change their stance, and if so in what way, so that you can then feed that information back to those from whom you are demanding support?
    Is this how she negotiated the deal with the EU, and why it has gone so spectacularly wrong.
    The EU. “So, Theresa, what do you want from Brexit?”
    May. “You support what I want and then I will tell you.”
    The EU. “It doesn’t work like that with us, because we aren’t members of the Conservative party. We don’t have to blindly support you without being given a chance to listen to your proposals.”
    May. “But, but, er.... It’s a secret.”
     
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  11. Brinkworth Saint

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    So if this all happens who will be buying the stuff that we will ‘be short of’? I may be missing something but if the veg and fruit can’t get through, then presumably the growers will be either composting it or selling to someone else. The trees and crops themselves aren’t aware of the Brexit dilemma and therefore can’t adjust their growing process.
     
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  12. San Tejón

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    If we go to hard borders, with all the necessary checks, the produce will get through but will be slower and later, potentially creating short life problems.
    Consumers may have to consider, with short life commodities, ignoring use by dates, shopping daily or going without.
    Growers will continue to produce and sell to those who buy. If they lose sales, and can’t find alternative buyers, they may have to cut production, by not planting so many crops or breeding as many animals, with the knock on effect in their area/country of job losses.
    There may even be contracts in place where the buyers are committed to buying X amount of stock, over a period of time to get the best price, which I have seen where I work when a meat product wasn’t selling as well as expected, but we couldn’t reduce our order with the supplier.
     
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    After a week of wrangling in parliament to come up with May's decision to ask to ask to reopen negotiation(thought she was already renegotiating?), I'm guessing it wont take long for the EU to come up with their 2 letter response.

    Somebody who understands how basic economy works <applause>

    Was about to do a similiar writeup but yours is more specific and concise than mine would have been.
     
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    They’re at it again. Anything to promote universal credit as being good, when in reality it is the opposite. Getting caught using a media savvy “member of the public on hard times” who doesn’t appear to have had a difficult time is sloppy.

     
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    Unfortunately, cognitive bias has blinkered the leave side to the point that they can’t see common sense anymore
     
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  18. ChilcoSaint

    ChilcoSaint What a disgrace
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    The cross-party Amendment I wins by 318-310. This rejects leaving without an agreement. Doesn’t force the government’s hand but is a good indication that there isn’t a majority in the House for Crash Brexit.

    All other amendments have fallen, and they’re just voting on the government-supported Amendment N, which seeks to replace the backstop with some meaningless gibberish which the EU have already said they won’t agree to.
     
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    Amendment I wins by 317-301. They will now vote on the amended Withdrawal Agreement, despite it not actually being an agreement any more. Brexit gets dafter and dafter.
     
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    The main motion goes through by the government side shouting louder than the opposition. Theresa May reaches out to everyone (2 years too late), and Jeremy Corbyn agrees to talks, as no-deal has been rejected.

    Donald Tusk has just said there will be no renegotiation of the backstop or anything else.
     
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