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Discussion in 'Queens Park Rangers' started by Stroller, Jun 25, 2015.

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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

    56 vote(s)
    47.9%
  2. Get out

    61 vote(s)
    52.1%
  1. ELLERS

    ELLERS Well-Known Member

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    He is a spoilt little rich kid. There was a guy on YouTube that did a video about him and what a little twat he is.
     
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  2. kiwiqpr

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    Braving dangerous waters, Iranians seek a better life in Britain
    Bozorgmehr Sharafedin
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    LIVERPOOL (Reuters) - The traffickers told Fardin Gholami that a fishing boat would take him from France to England at midnight, but when he and five other Iranian asylum seekers got to the beach, all they found was an inflatable dinghy with nobody to sail it.
    Gholami had paid 16,000 euros to human traffickers to take him from Kamyaran, in western Iran, to Britain. But on the seashore near Calais he realised he and his compatriots would now have to fend for themselves.
    “They showed us a red light on the horizon and said we should sail towards that,” said Gholami, 31, one of hundreds of Iranians who have risked their lives to cross the English Channel.
    The Channel is one of the world’s busiest shipping lanes, and the migrants’ inflatable boats are not equipped to cross it, especially in treacherous winter weather.
    “Sometimes there were big ships. It was scary. We knew if we crashed into them, that would be the end of us,” he said.
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    Mohammad Salehi Bakhtiari, 47, crossed the Channel in October. “The waves were coming from all directions. It was a nightmare. We saw death many times in the four hours it took to cross. Those four hours felt like four months,” he told Reuters.
    More than 500 migrants - mostly Iranians, some of them children - attempted to travel to Britain in rubber dinghies in 2018, four out of five of them in the last three months of the year. Some were turned back to France.
    British Home Secretary Sajid Javid cut short a family holiday to address the issue. Britain has doubled the number of patrol boats in the Channel to four, along with a naval ship.
    One month after he was arrested near the port of Dover, Gholami lives in a hostel in Liverpool, temporary accommodation provided by the government while his asylum claim is being processed.
    His roommate, Babak Hajipour, 40, also crossed the Channel in December. “We thought that if we did not succeed we would die and it would be over once and for all,” he said.
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    Iranian asylum seeker Babak Hajipour poses for a photograph in Liverpool, Britain January 14, 2019. Picture taken January 14, 2019. REUTERS/Andrew Yates
    British media described the Iranian exodus as a final effort to reach Britain before it leaves the European Union. But all the asylum seekers that Reuters spoke to said Brexit was not a factor for them. One had not even heard of it.
    Gholami, a teacher, left Iran after his environmental activist friends were arrested and he feared he would be too.
    Bakhtiari, an electricity project manager, spent two years in prison for distributing information about labour rights in factories. He fled the country while on temporary release.
    Hajipour, a plumber and electrician, left after being beaten by police on the street for wearing shorts.
    “I think sanctions, the economic situation on Iran, and mixing religion with politics are the main reasons why people are leaving the country,” he said.
    He hoped eventually to bring his family to Britain, including his 7-year-old daughter. “She will not have a bright future in Iran,” Hajipour said.
    DEAD END
    Other Iranian asylum seekers in Europe and Turkey told Reuters they decided to leave Iran after giving up hope in the face of growing economic and political difficulties.
    Last summer, U.S. President Donald Trump pulled out of an international agreement to restrict Tehran’s nuclear programme, imposing sanctions that caused prices to soar in Iran.
    In 2018, more than 21,000 Iranians left the country to seek asylum in Europe, Turkey, the United States, Canada and Australia, United Nations figures show.
    Iran’s Armed Forces Chief of Staff, Major General Mohammad Baqeri, said: “Foreign enemies are encouraging young people to leave Iran and turn their backs on the values of the Islamic Revolution, persuading people that resisting superpowers will lead to war.”
    In the third quarter of 2018, the number of Iranian asylum seekers in Britain increased more than 30 percent from the previous year. The Home Office said most asylum applicants last year came from Iran.
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    “Here and maybe in other countries, there are more Iranian refugees than Syrians,” Gholami said.
    “The situation in Iran is worse than a country at war. Especially recently, because of the country’s nuclear ambitions, the economic situation has deteriorated and I think there will be a new wave of Iranian economic refugees,” he said.
    A 37-year-old Iranian, who asked not to be named because he feared for the safety of his family in Iran, said he sold his house to come to Britain.
    “I never dreamed of coming to Europe. I had a decent life in Iran, a car, a small factory with workers.”
    He said he felt humiliated queuing for food in Liverpool, where he receives 35 pounds a week from the British government. But a bus ride in the city costs 2.50 pounds and he has to pay more than 30 pounds for an internet connection on his phone to talk to his family back home.
    There, a worker earns only enough in a day to buy half a kilo of meat. “Because of sanctions, people are at a dead end,” he said.
    Support grows to take no deal Brexit off the table
    AFFLUENT BUT WITHOUT HOPE
    Economic hardship might have triggered an exodus from Iran, but Roya Kashefi of the Association of Iranian Researchers believes Iranian refugees should be considered political, not economic migrants.
    “Iranian asylum seekers are mostly middle class and educated. Some are affluent enough to pay $16,000 to human traffickers,” said Kashefi who works with the Home Office on Iranian asylum seekers.
    In Calais, Maya Konforti, secretary of the Association l’Auberge des Migrants, believes Iranian asylum seekers resort to extreme measures like sewing their lips together, hunger strikes, or crossing the Channel in small boats, because of their middle class background.
    “They had a decent life, from a financial point of view, in Iran, while living conditions in Calais are horrendous. They were used to living in a house, and here they have to live in a muddy tent in the cold. So they cannot stand it,” Konforti told Reuters.
    “They tell us staying in Calais is like dying one day at a time. They are ready to try anything. They say OK, boats. We don’t care. We take the risk, we might die, but at least we will die quickly.”
    The number of Iranians in and around Calais began growing in late 2017 after Serbia scrapped visa requirements for Iranian citizens, opening up an easier route to the European Union.
    Serbia cancelled the initiative 14 months later after 1,100 Iranian sought asylum there. Others moved on.
    One Tehran resident told Reuters that many young people and families wanted to leave for a better life.
    His first attempt in June to reach Europe via Russia failed after almost a month on the road.
    “The human traffickers asked us for more money. We didn’t have any, so they took our mobile phones and left us in the middle of the road. We really struggled to return to Iran.”
    He is saving money for his next journey to Europe through Turkey.

    why dont they want to stay in any other country they pass through
     
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  3. Sooperhoop

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    A great advert for Corbyn's Labour, The Unholy Trinity plus the Shortarsed Sheepshagger who has delusions of power, you really couldn't make it up...
     
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  4. kiwiqpr

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    It's nice to see that every now and then Lord Adonis is still able to let his hair down.
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    I call us Sheep because that exactly what we are today how a vote for the tabled Brexit deal can lose by over 200 votes is a landmark in our politics

    A week later May adds another couple of weeds into the field and bigger me if the entire flock moves across to have a nose about

    Farmer May is playing with the flock and do we see it? nope because we are sheep

    She needs something spikey rammed up her imo
     
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    **** Corbyn as well at the moment as he is still putting his wellies on
     
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  8. Turkish" Premier" Hoops

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    Owen “cry baby” Jones, he has the type of face you could willingly punch all day without a break and surprisingly never get tired.
     
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  9. Star of David Bardsley

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    Seems to do a good job of winding up right-wingers though <ok>
     
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    I feel like that with Michael gove
     
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    More evidence, if any was needed, that the financial system is a farce and the people who claim to understand it are charlatans and wannabe alchemists.

    For the fourth year in a row the advice given by city analysts at the major investment banks has underperformed the market, so if you followed their advice you would have done less well than investing randomly. This year the market has fallen by 12%. The city analysts would have lost you 17% if you bought the ten stocks most rated as ‘buy’. Only one of these actually increased share price over the year. British American Tobacco, which 16 analysts rated ‘buy’ one ‘hold’ and none ‘sell’, lost 50% of its value. You would have been better off putting your savings in an account getting a pathetic rate of interest.

    So it seems that none of these ****wits can read the future, which is not really a surprise. And it’s not just the Fat Cat investors who will suffer. Millions of people will be receiving letters from their pension funds telling them that the value of their savings have fallen, and hence their pension will be lower. I’ve just got one, the fund has fallen a respectable (compared to the experts) 5% this year. Thankfully the bulk of my pension is in a company defined benefit scheme*. But many many people will suffer because their financial futures are tied into a system which is random, chaotic, run by idiots and crooks and doesn’t objectively exist outside of our collective imagination.

    * Even these could be at risk if investment decisions continue to make losses over years, as the value of the funds may not cover the actual defined benefit rights.
     
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    JCB gave a ‘donation’ of £10k to Boris Johnson three days before his joke of a speech at their premises, where he claimed that JCB machines are ‘made in Britain’ when most aren’t. They are also paying David Davis £60k this year to act as an ‘external advisor’. In his declaration of interests he says he expects to work about 20 hours to earn this money (mostly over long lunches I’m guessing).

    JCB is a very successful company, good on them. But perhaps their business nous has deserted them in choosing politicians to cosy up to.
     
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  13. ELLERS

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    Unlike the monies Blair and co make everytime they speak at these places. If JCB want to pay Boris so what? How does it effect you?
    Would it be okay for you if Jezza was paid by the terrorists he hung around with? We know you are anti-tory/brexit you don't need to keep telling us.
     
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    So I am hearing of in-fighting at Remoaner HQ. Apparently half of them want to put a 'Losers vote' amendment through but the other half think it's a waste of time and will get voted down in the commons, meaning it will kill off another 'losers vote'.
    And they say it's just the Tories that only think of themselves?
     
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    He did once promise that he would lie in front of a bulldozer after all................

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    Are you talking to me? Don’t bother, I ain’t listening.
     
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    I suppose you have never criticised Blair and his monies or anyone else for that matter?
     
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    I'm am just surprised you wrote that post. It's like you have gone from The Times to the gutter press. You are just sounding like a remoaner.
     
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    That's why I mentioned Blair.<doh>
    It just surprises me that Sb needs to mention something that we all know? Boris is Boris. As if we are shocked by this. They all get paid for doing this crap. Nothing new, I just expected better.
    Actually.. maybe I shouldn't.
     
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    Fine. The comment was about JCB, not Johnson or any other politician of any party. My views on Corbyn have been pretty tediously expressed on here multiple times.

    I’m sorry that I haven’t lived up to your expectations. On the other hand you always, without fail, live up to mine.:emoticon-0148-yes:
     
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