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Discussion in 'Queens Park Rangers' started by Stroller, Jun 25, 2015.

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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

    56 vote(s)
    47.9%
  2. Get out

    61 vote(s)
    52.1%
  1. ELLERS

    ELLERS Well-Known Member

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    He will probably take the authorities to court for ruining his business, get defended by Cherie Blair and he will get a big payment for upsetting his human right.
     
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    Cherie's busy presiding over her 50 plus, multi million property portfolio, so she'll have to delegate it! Hopefully, immigrants that break serious laws are chucked out
     
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  3. kiwiqpr

    kiwiqpr Barnsie Mod

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    at least you looked a bit further staines
    unlike most of the us media and so called celebrities who are possibly going to be sued for defamation
    one comedienne has even offered blow jobs to anyone who punches one of the kids in the face
     
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    Read that James Dyson moving his HQ to Singapore in next few months. Apparently not to do with brexit, but ' future proofing' his business....
     
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  5. kiwiqpr

    kiwiqpr Barnsie Mod

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    to be fair to him he might have sneaked in as well
    might be his only skill
     
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    Project Fling: No Deal Could Cause 35% Spike in Adultery
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    Project Fear has taken a salacious turn today with claims that no deal could cause a spike in extramarital affairs. A saucy study by the Illicit Encounters website claims that “hard economic times typically see an an increase in infidelity” as people “seek solace in the arms of an extramarital partner” but are unwilling to take the hit of paying a divorce bill, instead “opting to negotiate trade deals outside of their union”. They even claim that Leavers are more likely to be looking for a bit on the side…
    Will the spectre of scandal make restless MPs more or less enthusiastic for the potential ‘opportunities’ that come with a no-deal Brexit? It could explain why one particular MP is so keen to stop it…



     
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    kiwiqpr Barnsie Mod

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    Very difficult’ to avoid border infrastructure under no-deal Brexit
    Simon Coveney says backstop is the solution to protecting the status quo in Ireland
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    Minister for Foreign Affairs Simon Coveney has admitted it would be “very difficult” to avoid border infrastructure in Ireland under a no-deal Brexit.
    Mr Coveney said his focus remained on the Withdrawal Agreement negotiated between the UK and the EU and the backstop insurance policy.
    On Tuesday morning, a European Commission spokesman admitted Britain exiting the EU without a withdrawal agreement in March would lead to the imposition of a hard frontier between the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland.
    The agreement negotiated by British prime minister Theresa May was resoundingly rejected by the House of Commons last week.
    Mr Coveney told reporters in Dublin: “In the absence of the backstop and a withdrawal agreement we have a very difficult job to do to prevent border infrastructure, but of course that would have to be our focus.”
    Mr Coveney said: “As the debate on the backstop in Westminster continues this week I think the focus should be on this issue, to ensure that we do have a credible legal mechanism and a regulatory mechanism to prevent border infrastructure.
    “That is called the backstop and many people seem to refer to the backstop as a political tool as opposed to a legal and regulatory mechanism to protect the important status quo on this island, which does not have any physical border infrastructure in the North.
    “Our focus remains on that, that is the solution, that is how we prevent this issue becoming a real problem.”
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    Earlier, European Commission spokesman Margaritis Schinas said in a no-deal Brexit scenario “you will have a hard border”.
    He declined to say whether the commission planned to publish a specific Irish “preparedness” note in line with the many published about other aspects of no-deal.
    His comments are the first time the commission has explicitly acknowledged the reality that, despite the often expressed desire of Dublin and London to maintain a soft, frictionless border, a hard border is inevitable in the absence of a deal.
    For months journalists have been asking the commission, the UK, and Irish Government spokespeople what would happen on the Border in the event of a no-deal.
    The commission has refused to answer the question while the two governments have expressed their determination not to return to a hard border, without explaining how they would achieve that end.
    In recent days Taoiseach Leo Varadkar has been prepared to acknowledge the issue might pose problems with other member states with whom Dublin would have to have discussions. But, he said last week “We are not planning for checks on the land border in Northern Ireland.”
    Mr Schinas went on the reaffirm the commission’s commitment to upholding the Belfast Agreement in all its elements and to the funding of the peace programmers in the North.
    The Government released a statement in response, pointing to comments made by the President of the European Commission Jean-Claude Juncker when he addressed the Dáil last year.
    “President Juncker told the Dáil last June: ‘We agree that there should be no return to a hard border, we need to preserve North-South institutions, and the Good Friday Agreement should be preserved in its entirety.’”
    The Government also pointed to the British responsibility under the Belfast Agreement to ensure there was no return to a hard border.
    “Regardless of Brexit, the British government will always have responsibilities as co-guarantor of the Good Friday Agreement to ensure that, even in a no deal, there will not be a return to a border,” the statement said.
    “There is a deal to ensure no return to a hard border in any circumstance in Ireland. That deal took 18-months to negotiate and has been ratified by the EU 27 and passed by the British Cabinet. We should keep the focus where it needs to be and that is Westminster deciding what it wants,” the Government statement said.
    Opposition
    Also on Tuesday the Opposition accused the Government of being ill prepared for the effects of a no deal Brexit, with Sinn Féin leader Mary Lou McDonald, describing preparations for how it will impact on Northern Ireland as “threadbare”.
    “It is imperative also that there is sufficient contingency planning, that the State is in a state of readiness should there be a hard Brexit,” Ms McDonald said.
    Lisa Chambers, the Fianna Fáil Brexit spokeswoman, said assuming the Article 50 negotiating period will be extended, which would see Brexit delayed past its date of March, is “dangerous”.
    “In terms of domestic preparations when you look and see that Germany, France, the Netherlands, the Czech Republic to name but a few have all passed their Brexit emergency legislation, we haven’t even seen heads of Bill at this point. Additional reporting: PA
     
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    Is that your entry for comedy post of the year?
     
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    Did she insist on being given a free hand to threaten to walk out of the store empty-handed before she agreed the price?
     
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    sneaky bastard. They are going to be Tax registered over there as well and make some new bits in a factory they setup out there.
     
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    Trying to count up how many projects I have worked on for clients since 2016 where they used the term future proofing ... it’s a lot

    General consensus of the financial businesses we have accounts with is utter dismay on how the government has handled Brexit ... in the private sector this performance would of undoubtedly led to mass terminations of contracts

    Yet to meet or know a person within my business circles that is a Brexiteer
     
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    Dyson’s beef with the EU is that he lost an ECJ case about testing the efficiency of vacuum cleaners. So he becomes a Brexiter, albeit one who wants free trade and free movement of people with the EU. So essentially he just doesn’t want to be regulated. It’s like JCB, which has most of its manufacturing and sales outside Europe and was fined €35m by the EU for breaking anti Trust laws in 2004, and then became anti EU. And now they invite Boris Johnson to give hysterically underprepared speeches to their workers. Both companies have benefitted from the lower £. Though Dyson won’t for much longer if he has to do his accounts in Singapore $. Oh dear, how sad, never mind. If you dig into why any of the small number of pro Brexit businesses are pro Brexit the vast majority will be for company interest as opposed to national interest. Which is fair enough, I wanted to stay in the EU because it’s better for me,
     
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  13. BobbyD

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    Tbh its not them moving the companies which is the sneaky bit. As you say they are going for it because its in their companies interests. Its the lies for why they are voting for something and says its in the interests of other people
     
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    Agreed
     
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    Didn't Singapore recently sign a free trade agreement with the EU? So Dyson will have better access to EU markets from Singapore than he would from the UK.

     
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    Yep. He only has 4% of his sales in the UK and thinks Asia is the place to be. He’s not stupid, just nasty. And unpatriotic it would seem, a true patriot would of course put his country ahead of his business interests.

    Meanwhile Dr Fox is in Davos trying to get a few more Mutual Recognition Agreements signed before 29 March with the countries that have trade treaties with the EU. These agreements recognise compliance and quality processes, they aren’t trade deals (we aren’t allowed to agree them yet, I have no idea if we are actually talking about them). So far he has Australia, New Zealand and Chile. The total value in exports to the 37 countries he is targeting (Egypt is high up the list) is 10% of the value of UK exports to the EU. He says that many countries aren’t prioritising these agreements with the UK as they don’t believe we will leave or at least leave without a deal, and don’t want to waste time preparing something which won’t be needed. Dr Fox sounded a bit ambivalent about this. The currency markets seem to agree with those countries dragging their feet, £ up a bit, but the ongoing fiasco in the US and blow back for Germany from the slow down in China (which will also hit us of course, on top of everything else) might also have an influence.

    Hint for Brexiters and right wing anti elitists - get yourself a copy of Quentin Letts’* “Patronising Bastards - How the Elites Betrayed Britain”. Will save you a lot of time looking for arguments to attack people you don’t like with, includes a lot of names and a handy list of Britain’s top 100 patronising bastards. Not just confined to Brexit, covers how these people have ruined your life with their influence on political correctness, the arts, food, climate change etc etc. Includes lots of detail on how corrupt, hypocritical and self serving they are. The book doesn’t contain any counter arguments, just character assassination. It’s actually rather funny.

    To my distress I don’t make the list. Must try harder.

    *Quentin Letts is the political sketch writer for The Times. He lives in rural Herefordshire. He was educated in the private school system, including one school where his daddy was headmaster and Haileybury, before university in the US and Trinity College Dublin. His career has been exclusively as a journalist, mostly in the gossip and political sketch areas, for the Mail, the Telegraph, The Times, News of the World, Horse and Hound (really). His programme on climate change for BBC Radio 4 was withdrawn because of its bias and inaccuracy. He has been accused of misogyny multiple times and been destroyed by Jo Brand on HIGNFY. He is clearly ideally placed to speak for the downtrodden. In Who’s Who (I’m not in that either, must try harder to establish my elite credentials) he lists his hobbies as ‘gossip and character defenestration’, so he will appreciate what I have done here.
     
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    The best place to sell anything in the biggest shops in Europe especially the U.K. is outside the U.K. hoping that Brexiteers on here will finally accept that

    Anyone who thinks in the future that the U.K. won’t pay more for most things hasn’t got it yet or are still clinging to a vision that the U.K. is best ... it certainly was in the past but as I have harping on about we are number one in zombie consumerism

    Businesses are fully geared up to switch as and when they see fit
     
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    Dyson is so bad isn't he? How dare he think about his business! God forbid. He has had a place in Singapore for some time. He confirmed this months ago. Old news.
    No one mentions BMW, Seimens, and other companies that left the UK to relocate in EU countries many years before Brexit.
    It's all one sided with you lot. Take off your 'Euro loving tinted glasses'.
    Why doesn't anyone mention the new deal between Germany and France (integrating even more). Did you listen to the German protesters yesterday and what they thought of it? Did you listen to the people saying 75% of French want Macron out. Your Euro dream is falling down around you and you can't even see it. Just like Hitler in the last years of the war.
    And you still want your 'losers vote' to try and stay in.
     
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    There seems to be increasing acrimony between the Second Referendums v The Norway Optioners. Reminds me of the Feminists v Transgenders. Let them get on with it.
     
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    May is reaching out to the ERG and it seems they may back her deal if she gets some more concessions.
    Boris has said if he gets assurances he will support her and JRM will say the same later.
    I t seems the EU states are starting to splinter and are speaking out. Poland did yesterday and it won't be long before France surrenders.
    It may end up being a GE. That may be a good thing as the Tories can get rid of the traitors and get a new leader.
     
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