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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

    56 vote(s)
    47.9%
  2. Get out

    61 vote(s)
    52.1%
  1. Goldhawk-Road

    Goldhawk-Road Well-Known Member

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    Sky undertook polls yesterday, of the nation and a group in Leeds. It concluded that most voters are entrenched in the positions they were in, in 2016.

    Some Brexit supporters will not admit it when polled in case they are thought racist, which makes these polls difficult to read, and probably accounts for why the polls were wrong in 2016
     
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  2. DT’s Socks

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    Are you saying the 16.1M just lost then?
    You are a European we all are
    27 nations all caving in to the minority 40% imo

    Remember you will still be held accountable for this and with a majority of pro Europeans in our country where are you going to hide
    Where’s your post Brexit plan ?
     
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  3. DT’s Socks

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    Why use the term Hitler at all ?
    Ellers also comparing any of his opinions regarding weakness or running away to the French ... how is that acceptable in 2019 ?

    An insult on History imo
     
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  5. bobmid

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    Quite right. How can we expect them to keep up such high standards of political work if their second homes are cold!!!
     
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  6. kiwiqpr

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    Polly Toynbee‏Verified account@pollytoynbee Jan 17
    This Saturday Britain turns a remainer nation: more young remainers joined the electoral register, more old leavers died. A Final Say vote would stop the will of dead ruling over the will of the young:

    Carol Gould‏@Karashgould Jan 17
    As someone with terminal stage 4 cancer I find it unconscionable that a fellow journalist can make this cruel, flippant reference to death as a solution to her political agenda. Chilling and frankly, shameful.
     
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  7. Goldhawk-Road

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    "Little Hitler" a recognised saying for autocratic tosspots! I repeat, I wasn't comparing Grieve to Hitler. I've obviously offended you Remainers, so I'm pleased to withdraw it. I'll settle for Grieve being a treacherous, self-serving tosspot.

    Ellers is more than capable of answering for himself on the French running away. I, personally, have never used that kind of phraseology but I do think the EU takes brinksmanship to another level to see what it can get away with. There will be a compromise, particularly if no deal is on the table. If Grieve, Soubry and their mates get it taken off, they simply prolong the agony.
     
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    Toynbee is a wicked old witch, a self proclaimed socialist who enjoys her second home in Italy.
     
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  10. bobmid

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    I certainly don't take any offence to the little Hitler term. I call my own nephew it. I also think the EU,s negotiating stance is perfectly acceptable considering the mess of a country they are attempting to negotiate with.
     
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    They've negotiated well, although May and her advisor's incompetence in this regard has made it easy for them. But they won't budge from their current position unless and until they think there really will be a no deal. Then they will compromise because certain member states that will suffer real damage from a no-deal Brexit will insist on it, led by Merkel
     
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    Yes I tend to agree with that. Our mentality prior to the negotiations was somewhat patronising. Gove and Fox etc easiest deal ever blah blah. Anyway, I really can't call this one way or another, infact it doesn't seem anyone can.
     
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    ONS trade statistics: Exports rise by £14 billion
    New figures show continued export growth, totalling £630 billion in the year to November 2018.
    Published 11 January 2019
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    Department for International Trade and The Rt Hon Liam Fox MP
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    Total exports rise to a record high of £630 billion.
    New figures released today (11 January 2019) by the Office for National Statistics (ONS) revealed exports (goods and services) in the year to November 2018 were worth £630 billion, growing by £13.9 billion since the previous year.
    There has now been 32 consecutive months of export growth on a 12-month rolling basis.
    As the UK considers future Free Trade Agreements with the likes of the USA, Australia, New Zealand and the Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership (CPTPP), goods exports to these countries continued to boom:
    • USA: up 6.9% to £54.9 billion
    • Australia: up 2.9% to £5.1 billion
    • New Zealand: up 3.8% to £869 million
    • CPTPP: up 4.2% to £28.4 billion
    With other notable goods exports growth to non-EU markets including Nigeria (up 29.2%), India (up 27.3%), and Thailand (up 18.5%).
    The news comes as London retained its position as the top tech investment destination in Europe earlier this week. According to Pitchbook and London & Partners, the capital received £1.8 billion tech investment in 2018, more than Berlin and Paris combined.
    International Trade Secretary, Dr Liam Fox, said:
    Today’s statistics once again show UK businesses are exporting with more confidence than ever before, as total exports rise to a record high of £630 billion. As my colleagues and I have witnessed on ministerial visits up and down the country, businesses are simply keen to continue meeting demand for their produce from all corners of the world.
    As we start the new year, I encourage all businesses to mark 2019 as a year for overseas expansion. Whether you are a small business seeking help to sell abroad for the first time, or an established exporter looking to break into new markets, my international economic department stands ready to offer its full support.
    Last August, the Department for International Trade launched its ambitious new Export Strategy, seeking to move exports as a percentage of GDP from 30% to 35%.
    The strategy set out a range of support which will help businesses make the most of significant export opportunities around the world.
    Notes to editors:
    • All export figures refer to the 12 months to November 2018.
    • Figures from the ONS UK Trade November 2018
     
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    no flowers on mothers day
    how can you brextards be so awful
    dont you love your mothers


    No-deal Brexit could stem the supply of Mother's Day flowers

    Dutch exporters warn of major delivery problems if Britain crashes out of the EU
    Daniel Boffey in Brussels
    Fri 18 Jan 2019 13.27 GMT First published on Fri 18 Jan 2019 13.21 GMT
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      Dutch exports account for 80% of flowers in British shops. Photograph: Michel Porro/Getty Images
      Meet Brexit’s latest potential victim: the Mother’s Day bouquet. While the tumult in Westminster is keeping political pundits in clover, the decision by MPs to vote down Theresa May’s deal this week has sent petals flying among Dutch exporters, who are responsible for 80% of the flowers sold in British shops.
      As the risk of a no-deal Brexit was raised, LTO Nederland, the organisation that represents Dutch agricultural producers, formally warned its members of major problems if they do not get products into the UK before Brexit day on 29 March.
      “For the floriculture sector, it is also important that March 31 is Mother’s Day in the United Kingdom – an important selling point for suppliers of flowers and plants. It is expected that due to a shortage of facilities and employees, there will be major problems at the border, and therefore delays,” said LTO Nederland.
      Once out of the EU, unless there is a status quo transition period of 21 months, as planned in the prime minister’s deal, today’s current seamless trade will be fractured by customs and phytosanitary checks.
      Delays, exporters warn, mean wilting flowers, empty shelves and disappointed Mother’s Day customers.
      About €825m (£725m) worth of flowers and plants were sold by Dutch companies into the UK in 2018, down from €950m in 2016, due to the fall in the value of sterling. But whether it is freshly cut tulips, potted plants or small trees, the Netherlands still remains the No 1 source for British florists, garden centres, corner shops and DIY stores.
      Matthijs Mesken, the director of VGB, which represents Dutch wholesale exporters of flowers, said he was confident his biggest traders would ensure their products would be in the shops ahead of Mother’s Day and “as fresh as last year”.
      “You can deliver it Saturday for the Sunday, but that will maybe be too late,” he said. “We will deliver the flowers the week before.”
      But Mesken added that Mothering Sunday kicks off the busiest season for florists and that without a deal in place, chaos at the ports will begin. “Two weeks later, or Mother’s Day next year? We will have a problem,” he said.
      “If you are a florist in the UK you can buy flowers from us at 4pm this afternoon and they will be delivered tomorrow morning in London or in the afternoon in Manchester,” he said. “But after Brexit, deal or no deal, that will change. It is not that easy, maybe it is impossible, to order flowers in the afternoon and deliver tomorrow.
      “If we have a transition period we can work out our systems, we can prepare ourselves for the changing logistics,” he added. “If we don’t have a transition period, from 1 April it will be chaos. There will be delay in the harbour, and we are dealing with fresh products. So every hour of delay in the harbour reduces the quality.”
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      The port of Harwich is a key route for Dutch flower exports into the UK. Photograph: Alamy
      Mesken said he had a lot of questions for Michael Gove’s Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (Defra) but it was proving “very difficult for them to give us answers because it is not certain what will happen”.
      “We ask where the inspections will take place of our products in the UK,” he said. “Not in the harbour, because there is not space for all the trucks. At the shop? Garden centres? And they can’t answer until now. So that makes it very difficult for us to prepare.”
      Michiel van Veen, the operations and supply chain director at Royal Lemkes, Europe’s biggest exporter of plants, which ships 50,000 plants a week into the UK mainly through the port of Harwich, has had a similar experience of the British authorities.
      He said: “With the regulations prepared now by the UK authorities, it is not really possible almost to export plants to the UK in a no-deal scenario.
      “Under the formal regulations at the port of Harwich you cannot bring in any plant materials. But that is the main port of entry to the UK. Every company doing something with plants is using Harwich. So it is something stupid written down that is not practical.
      “We had telephone calls and we were to have a meeting last week but it was postponed on the UK side because of the political state at this moment.”
      Van Veen added: “I was looking at the BBC yesterday night and looking at what is happening over there, and I don’t know what game is being played. But I can only take my responsibility.”
      A spokesman for Defra, without reference to customs checks, said: “In a no-deal scenario, the majority of plants and flowers which come from the EU will be able to enter the UK without requiring plant health checks, just as they do now.
      “Some high-risk plants will need plant health certificates, known as phytosanitary certificates, and the importer will need to notify the relevant UK plant health authority that the goods are arriving. There will be no plant health checks at the border for this material, and so there should be no delays in moving the goods across the UK border from these new requirements.”
     
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    Phew - that'll save me a few quid then. See, we will be richer <laugh> we'll have **** all to spend our cash on!
     
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    the people making yellow vests must be making a fortune
    its made its way to australia
     
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    I mean it’s almost like they didn’t have a ****ing clue what they were on about and have since been shown up to be charlatan ****s.
     
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    Nooooo
     
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    We have a funny old culture in the U.K. we can use Hitler in a chosen context and it’s not offensive of course as it focuses on the self obsession of the mass murderer of millions of Jews ,Gypsies and others

    Similar to say
    This man has raised £Ms for charity ... a modern Jimmy Saville but of course without the kiddy fiddling
     
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